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The mastodon and lemmy content I’m seeing feels like 90% of it comes from people who are:

  • ~30 years old or older

  • tech enthusiasts/workers

  • linux users

There’s nothing wrong with that particular demographic or anything, but it doesn’t feel like a win to me if the entire fediverse is just one big monoculture.

I wonder what it is that is keeping more diverse users away? Is picking a server/federation too complicated? Or is it that they don’t see any content that they like?

Thoughts?

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[–] MaDeX@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

43 year old tech signing in.

[–] RVGamer06@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I'm 17 and come from Reddit, where i watch mainly shitpost. But i'm also a tech nerd

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

That's how reddit used to be before Digg shit the bed.

This is also me: I'm a 39 year old Ubuntu user who has been excited about the Internet since the day I first learned what a modem does, in maybe like, 1990?

So far I think Lemmy's a bit too technical for regular people to get started with the Fediverse and to figure out how to find the right communities to join in order to have content show up in their feed comparable to what they're already getting at a commercial service, which takes no effort at all to continue to scroll. Why would a normal person want to use alpha release software? We're still in the early days, we're the early adopters.

[–] acrobaticpenguin23@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Probably so. But then why are Android and Android Apps struggling for engagement? But more randoms, casuals, just a wider overall demographic will be needed for niche communities to become viable.

The communities I mainly communicated in on Reddit either don't exist, or have paltry engagement here.

This is why I am keeping my Reddit account active to make posts in these forums to invite others over here to build engagement.

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[–] tobier@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Honestly wouldn't mind Lemmy being a 30+ monoculture. Let the kids stay on their TikBooks and SnapFaces where they make porn or whatever else kids do these days.

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[–] ZombieZookeeper@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Get off my lawn.

I think most people don't go to a platform because of how it is implemented but rather what content and what communities already exist there.

People on the fediverse now are using it not because of the content already here but more because of the promise of a platform designed in a different way that will ultimately enable a better internet experience. I think part of the reason why it's mostly techy people is that the sales pitch is complicated enough that mostly techy people will be able to appreciate it. Not to say that non-techy people are too stupid to get it, it's just that it requires a kind of abstract thinking that techy people are more used to.

It feels like lemmy seems to have a sense of nostalgia for old reddit in some ways, so I imagine that a lot of people on here where also on reddit maybe 5-15 years ago, which means that you are probably going to be older than the average reditor as well as techy. Can't speak for mastodon, honestly I find the culture on most instances I've seen to be kinda weird and unappealing but yes it seems to be older techy people as well there.

[–] ripjackie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

24 yr old tech worker / Linux user checking in! I'm not old yet but I've got the spirit!

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[–] SemenDemon@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

can confirm:

  • 28
  • DevOps Engineer
  • daily linux use
[–] GAMER@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Gosh I feel like this guy called me out.

But then I saw the user name.

Hmmm.....

[–] Malzod@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Definitely the server federation thing is overwhelming. I don't even know what that is. I was told Lemmy.world is the alternative Reddit.

[–] Sandakada@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Reddit began in a similar fashion, so its a positive trait for sure

[–] MissingNo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I think that's probably accurate, but it needs context. When I discovered reddit, I was a teenager and I just lurked for a long time. At the time, the typical redditor was closer to 30 years old and a tech worker. I was a lurker because I didn't yet understand how to write a thoughtful, worthwhile comment. So there might be some lurkers right now because of that.

All kinds of people gravitate towards conversation, but older users will be more comfortable engaging in conversations at first. Reddit is not a good place to converse right now. We just need to focus on building community and encouraging conversations.

[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

we are the kind to early adopt new stuff

[–] InvaderDJ@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

It is obviously. Just look at what Lemmy and Mastadon are. The whole concept of the fediverse is trying to get back to old school, smaller and less controlled services like message boards, IRC, etc.

Most younger, less tech savvy people don’t care about those principles. They just want a cool place with a bunch of people.

Hopefully the balance will shift a little bit to get more diversity and more users in general. In the last few days, stability issues and lack of content have lowered my engagement. It’s early days still though, so hopefully the people developing and hosting these sites keep plugging away and more people come to make it worthwhile.

[–] zikk_transport2@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

2* y.o. Linux user & sysadmin/sre/devops/younameit checking in.

I am still gonna use reddit for porn only, using patched Reddit app (by Revanced manager). 😂

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[–] Squids@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Yes. I have yet to run across 💀💀💀 or 🔥🔥🔥 in any reply thread as well as popular slang. Also AITA posts with some of the worst advice known to humankind. Thank god it’s over!

Reddit evolved into in something unrecognizable over the last 5 years as it’s popularity exploded.

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[–] samokosik@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I am around 20 and use lemmy, but I agree my friends need instagram

[–] RealNooshie@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I am younger than that demographic and not the most techy person, so maybe not exclusively. But yes, in my experience with Lemmy and Mastodon that is the trend.

[–] Caminsky@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

No. Next question

[–] GRiMtox@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't use Linux, but other than that...

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[–] jflorez@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

This is me 46 *nix user, nerd

[–] krayj@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Right now, the fediverse is not very user-friendly for non-tech people.

I mean, there's instances de-federating from each other, weird federation sync anomalies still going on between instances, users have to create and maintain multiple user accounts on multiple instances if those instances have defederated each other, even the 'official' jerboa app for lemmy shits itself if you try and connect in to an instance that's one sub-dot version lower than what it was built for - plus it crashes on 1/3 of my android devices, some of the best lemmy apps have been removed from app stores due to non-compliance with app store terms and have to be installed manually from github. It's all still very DIY right now instead of plug-and-play....and if lemmy is to appeal to anyone other than tech nerds, it needs to become much more user friendly and much more plug-and-play.

I tried explaining it all to my wife (who is still a Reddit user) and she argues that lemmy on fediverse sounds way too complicated...and she's not wrong.

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