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[–] doc@fedia.io 296 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Published July 1st.

Presidential historian Allan Lichtman took aim at CNN's News Central hosts Monday morning for being "complicit" in Donald Trump's political rise amid the presumptive Republican nominee's bid for a second term.

Lichtman, appearing with hosts John Berman and Sara Sidner, shifted gears during his comments about recent polls between Trump and Democratic incumbent Joe Biden.

He believes Trump's remarks during last week's debate should have grabbed more headlines than Biden's much-discussed struggles.

"I love you guys in the media, but I have to say, you are complicit in Donald Trump lying and conning his way to the presidency. All of the attention has been on Biden's faltering debate, but Donald Trump's debate was vastly worse," Lichtman said. "It was based entirely on lies. More than 30 significant lies.

"He threatened our democracy by saying he wouldn't accept the results of a fair election. That he would seek retribution. Why wasn't that the headlines? Why wasn't that the greatest concern from the debate, rather than all of the focus on Joe Biden."

In his rebuke of the media's coverage of Trump, he continued:

"There's an old saying, it's not just the evil people who wreak havoc on the world, it's the good people who don't do enough to stop them. And the media right now is complicit in Donald Trump gaslighting his way to the presidency and threatening our democracy," Lichtman added.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 255 points 4 months ago

I feel so fucking vindicated right now that a presidential historian is saying the same exact thing I've been saying. Trump's "performance" was horrifying and nobody said a word. Its infuriating.

[–] capt_wolf@lemmy.world 35 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The man has continuously been given visibility and a platform for the past 4 years to whine and carry on about a stolen election that wasn't and the failings of America that aren't. Ask yourself, was the same thing done for Obama? Bush? Clinton? Bush Sr.? Certainly not... What about Romney? Perot? McCain? Hillary? Gore? Dole? Why not?

Why is this fellonious, mutant Cheeto still being given a voice and opportunity to continue to influence American history? Whether it's for ratings or for some ulterior agenda, we'll probably never know. Shame on all of them, either way. I'm sure it all comes down to money, but whatever it is, it's disgusting...

[–] SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

It's rampant capitalism manifesting - that's what led to focusing on a conman's rise to candidacy with no credibility to his name. That's how I see it.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 123 points 4 months ago (2 children)

They treated Trump as a real candidate back in 2016, artifically elevating him, all because Hillary thought it was an easy win.. CNN is absolutely complacent

[–] UntitledQuitting@reddthat.com 31 points 4 months ago

Complicit. But complacently so.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

They chase ratings, not the bidding of political campaigns. They also reported on all of Hillary's legal problems often ignoring the FBI decided not to prosecute her after millions in tax prayer money investigating her. And as many have pointed out, the FBI doesn't want to let people go free after it spends years and millions of dollars investigating them.

[–] NutWrench@lemmy.world 74 points 4 months ago (8 children)

CNN: "Biden's too old! He's unfit to be president."

"What about the convicted felon and rapist? Isn't he unfit?"

CNN: * crickets *

[–] LavenderDay3544@lemmings.world 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's a sad state of affairs when we're deciding who to vote for based on who's less unfit for the job rather than who is more qualified.

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[–] Freefall@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

But rapist make news go BRRRRRRRRTTTTTT! -CNN

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[–] Veneroso@lemmy.world 68 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Biden is boring and poor for ratings. Biden has dementia!? That's ratings!

Trump: (Ratings intensify)

Literally every day from 2016 to 2020 there was a new scandal. Some new horrible thing he said. It was never ending. Then there was January 6th and it was finally quiet. Quiet for nearly two years....

RNC: if you announce your candidacy, we won't pay your legal bills.

DOJ: About those classified documents.....

Trump: I'm running for president!

RNC: ...

Trump: RNC needs new leadership, here's my daughter in law. Also all funding goes to me first.

RNC: Trump is your God Emperor!

...

Supreme Court: Trump is your God Emperor!

Project 2024: Trump is your God Emperor!

Project 2024: Submit and there won't be bloodshed!

CNN: Yes!!!

MSNBC: Yes!!!

[–] NutWrench@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

Yup. This is that "liberal news media" that conservatives keep yammering on about. The one that's owned by six corporations.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 52 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The real issue is that today's Republican party is not based on facts at all, it's based on a collective hallucination, wishful thinking, alternative facts, which Republicans believe instead of actual facts.

The vast majority of the lies Trump spewed during the debate are things that Republicans believe are true. When each side has their own facts, the simple act of fact checking becomes a partisan exercise. And holding their candidate to account equals a partisan witch hunt.

This forces each media outlet to choose a side. If they want any attention at all from the Right, they have to lie like them. Outlets that stick to objective facts will be immediately dismissed by half the electorate. While we'd like to think most outlets worth following will choose actual facts, alternative facts increase your base and may lead to more profits.

[–] Omega_Man@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)
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[–] lone_faerie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Is anyone surprised? They basically said as much when CNN was acquired by Warner Bros

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

It's a business,not journalism

[–] FarFarAway@startrek.website 2 points 4 months ago

I dont think anyone has realized that warner brothers has an extreme right winger on the board calling the shots. Since the acquisition, CNN has gone right. The vision is to remake CNN in the image of Fox. The objective and liberal reporters all quit.

[–] gardylou@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago
[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (15 children)

If I have to see this false prophet Lichtman's bowl cut one more time, I swear to god... Here are just a few facts about this asshole:

  • It's really not some miracle that he got these elections right, considering he waits until last-minute to predict them.
  • He gave a full-throated endorsement of Hillary Clinton... only to predict she'd lose later on in the race.
  • He hasn't given his fucking prediction for THIS cycle yet.
  • Even based on his own "keys," he is not remaining impartial because he has no idea whether an alternative candidate would get all the keys just the same.
  • He inflates incumbency despite Biden's 37% approval-rating and losing pre and post-first debate in polls... Which if you look at historical trends, that NEVER bodes well for the incumbent.

By the way I emailed this shithead challenging his methodology (and I remained much more neutral than this) to no response. In fact I wouldn't be the least-bit surprised if the only reason he wants Biden to remain the nominee is to ensure he maintains record for election predictions by later predicting his easy defeat.

Nate Silver has a far more predictive, mathematical model than this dumb fuck. He can Lichtma balls. (ok that last one I just had to out of adolescent gallows humor, but he threw the first punch with name-calling those wanting Biden to step down).

[–] TurtleJoe@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago (19 children)

We are long past the point where it would have been feasible for Biden to withdraw. We were past that point well before the first debate. It is too late to get somebody else on the ballot in many states, including states that then Dems potentially need, like Nevada.

Anybody still repeating the line that Biden needs to withdraw is either:

  1. Ignorant of how election law works

  2. A bad actor, pushing right wing/Russian talking points.

[–] PlantDadManGuy@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Agreed. It's too late to promote some lesser known candidate enough to compete with the frothing rotten cult of personality stench that surrounds the orange rapist.

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[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (2 children)

They do have more conservative donors

[–] vxx@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I was going to comment again that you can't donate to CNN, because they're publicly traded, but then I found out that billionaires find workarounds.

Here's a CNN article about Jeff Bezos donatimg 100 million directly to two political CNN commenters:

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/20/media/van-jones-bezos-100-million/index.html

[–] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

The FOX folks bought them, dont even bother with CNN

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[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

Whatever gets people more money. Sigh. 🫡

[–] the_doktor@lemmy.zip 11 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Every single piece of media and online community that did not laugh at Trump and tell him to shut the hell up and get his ass out of the 2016 election is complicit in him doing ANYTHING.

I blame reddit, big-time, for the massive push of his bullshit because they allowed a certain subreddit that will remain nameless here to TAKE OVER THEIR ENTIRE FREAKING "all" PAGE with obvious lies, slander, and other things that would have gotten banned on any other subreddit and did absolutely nothing until AFTER the election to curb it. But yeah, anyone else that didn't just ignore him completely and ask when a real candidate for the Republicans was going to show up is responsible for his bullshit.

What a clusterfuck.

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[–] Mzpip@lemm.ee 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Trump is exactly three (3) years younger than Biden. When he's not spouting nonsense about boat sinking batteries and sharks and thinking Hannibal Lecter is real, he's lying. Bigly.

Why is no one in your media talking about this?

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[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Suddenly, beatbox.

I get why Biden is getting criticized because of how senile he is, but by not going Biden they risk another Hillary. They basically would need to find another candidate that does not mobilize the GQP base due to "being a threat" to their fragile snowflake sensibilities and that would still serve the interests of the lobbies that make up the US oligarchy. I suppose a possibility could be another throwback, a previous candidate like John Kerry.

[–] BlueMacaw@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

IDK, I feel like Biden is exactly another Hillary - he's dramatically unpopular everywhere outside liberal bastions. It doesn't seem like liberals need to worry about mobilizing the red base, they need people to come out and vote FOR them in the key swing states instead of staying home.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

he’s dramatically unpopular everywhere outside liberal bastions.

I don't know anyone who actually likes him. We're all just glad he's not Trump. And frankly, I'd vote for him in much, much worse shape than he currently is against Trump.

[–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 4 points 4 months ago

Biden is a McDonald’s burger. Is it what I want? Not really, but on this shitty road trip we are on it will do fine. Especially since the only other food place in town serves rotting pig intestines.

It’s not even a hard choice, and Biden with his staff have done a great job.

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