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tectonic planet are rare

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[โ€“] Etterra@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Even on the remoteest of chances that there is it a sapient life form capable and technologically advanced enough to contact us in this galaxy cluster, much less nearby?

Why the hell would they? We are obviously fucking crazy.

[โ€“] APassenger@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Science. Threat analysis. Entertainment at our silly ways.

If they have abundant resources and energy, sending probes wouldn't be a challenge.

[โ€“] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)
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gestures around broadly

[โ€“] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago

The argument David Kipling made seems reasonable. Statistically the chance if there being almost no civilisations or the universe just teeming with life are the biggest. The parameters have to be tweaked just right for there being just a few civilizations in a galaxy. It's not teeming with signals and chances of parameters being just right is low, so most probable is we being alone.

[โ€“] Grimy@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

So their whole argument is that tectonic plates are needed for complex life to emerge. There isn't much proof for it either way obviously but I find the argument flawed.

In any case, here is why I think aliens are here, either waiting for us to divest ourselves of our economic system and destructive ways (capitalism breaks when you mix in easy space exploration and heavy automation) or observing us and how changes emerge in our society like we do with secluded tribes.

  1. Any advanced civ can tell a planet has life on it from a great distance. If simple life is rare, they would of had a probe here a long long time ago.

  2. We started modifying the climate over 3000 years ago. Any civ within an 1000 light year range would have had enough time to notice and make it here. That is around 7 million star systems.

  3. An advanced civ would have covered every single solar system with Von Newman probes.

I think the fernie paradox is more of a test than a rule. Any civ that can't pull itself out of the muck is probably bad news for galactic society, so they wait and see.

[โ€“] mojo_raisin@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I find the idea that all intelligent species have the same dominator instinct driving them to explore, exploit, and colonize to be flawed. Not even all humans have this instinct, it's just that our western societies are all about domination so we grow up thinking it's the norm.

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