Defense of Ukraine is a great example of how weapons can be used for good. But definitely not all that these companies do, as Gaza shows.
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It's sad, but countries like Russia show us very clearly why nations that want peace need to prepare for war.
I would love to not need to spend a cent on our military, or weapons manufacturing, but the hard reality is very clearly that if we aren't capable of mass producing weapons, we'll likely be invaded and killed.
That's a major part of the issue Europe is facing now: We've scaled down weapons production since the 90's, and now that we suddenly need millions of artillery shells it takes time to rebuild production capacity.
Hopefully Russia gets the picture soon, that we'll keep scaling up until every Russian invader is gone, and we can go back to not spending money on war...
Russian invasion has been a goddamn goldmine to weapon manufacturers. Not only those selling to Ukraine but also got a lot of European countries to re-arm and restart domestic production.
Yup, who would have though that Russia invading their neighbour suddenly caused the entirety of western Europe to start the largest investments in military and weapons manufacturing since the cold war?
Looking at the results of this war so far (major expansion of NATO in the North, massively increased military spending in all of NATO, massively increased size of the Ukrainian military), you would almost think Putins goal was something completely different than preventing NATO expansion and "de-militarizing" Ukraine.
It's almost like the best way of preventing your neighbours from building huge militaries and joining alliances is by cooperating with them and helping them feel safe, rather than threatening, coercing and bombing them.
It is pretty funny how for us Finns, Putin managed with one move to do what decades of pro-NATO propaganda couldn't and push us to join.
Lol at the people downvoting this like that isn't exactly what happened: NATO had wanted Finland to join for years, but they didn't want to join, for fear of provoking Russia. Putin shows the world that appeasement doesn't work, and Finland joins in a heartbeat.
This is lemmy.ml. It is what it is
I actually hadn't realised that yet, thanks for pointing it out, I thought I was going crazy with the amount of people suddenly supporting Russian invaders
Ukraine is ruled by a far right government along with Nazis
- The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It
- Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
- NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
- The blueprint of regime change operations
- History of Fascism in Ukraine Part I: The Origins of the OUN 1917-1941
- History of Fascism in Ukraine Part II: The OUN during World War 2, 1941-1945
- History of Fascism in Ukraine Part III: 1944-1963 UPA War, Ratlines, and the Assassination of Stepan Bandera
- History of Fascism in Ukraine Part IV: The Global OUN Network in Exile, 1962-1992
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- Reuters, 2014: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
- Truthout, 2015: The Ukraine Mess That Nuland Made
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: 'I want to bring up a warrior': Ukraine's far-right children's camp – video
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
- Consortium News, 2022: Evidence of US-Backed Coup in Kiev
- The Conversation, 2022: Ukraine war follows decades of warnings that NATO expansion into Eastern Europe could provoke Russia
The fascist issue is not a biggest concern than in Germany, US, France, and certainly not than in Russia. Of course every fascist must be fought, but it's easy to denounce far-right in other countries. In the hearth of capitalism, a consistent anti-imperialist position shall fight the imperialism state. I'm not fan of the dude, but that pretty basics leninism
About "nazi" that came to the west, it's true, but your examples are very bad. Yea every male in germany during the 3rd Reich have to join the army. Of could they could desert, and having their family and their own life threaten, but that's not make them nazi. None of them were in the nazi party or one of its organisation (like the SS). Adolf Heusinger may be another case, being a general is not the same responsibility and agentivity This a bad job because there is a lot of example of fascists kept at position of power in many countries, including the occupied germany and the french vichists. This lead to fascists laws and institutions being kept in those countries (some brigades dedicated to kill resistance converted in "anticriminal brigade" for example), and being used against decolonization.
TL;DR you could demonstrate nazification of western countries, but in repeating russia propaganda, you fail to do so.
Bro the nazi shit in Ukraine has been proven untrue s very long time ago
I, for one, am shocked, shocked that defenders of Russia are still using the same easily disproven lies to justify invading, occupying, and murdering a neighboring country.
It's not like Russia has a history of lying about its military operations in Ukraine or anything, right?
"Defense" is when you aid the overthrow of a government to replace it with a fascist one that kills eastern Ukrainians like in Donbass, DPR, LPR, and Crimea
Then they wonder why Crimeans overwhelming support Russia against the post-2014 fascist coup gov in Ukraine
Defence is when you defend your country against an invader.
Correct, and I strongly support our Ukrainian comrades in the DPR and LPR in their resistance against the fascist coup government.
Yeah, the famous fascists that are actively working hard to join the EU, which we've seen so clearly the past decade just loves having fascist states in its ranks. You know, the fascist government that had an actual election as late as 2019 where southern and eastern regions largely voted for the person that won.
Notice how there was actually a change of power in that election - a known hallmark of fascist states.
I was more thinking when Russia invaded and tried to encircle Kyiv and whatnot. But yeah, when you fight against an attacker, it's defence. It's a general term rather than a value position.
Wow, I Wonder why everyone that's left in the regime that deports and persecutes dissenters says they are in support of that regime?
Ukraine never invaded anybody. Giving them weapons so they can throw out the people invading them, taking their land and molesting their people is a good thing. Russia has clearly shown that the only way to get rid of the plague that is Russian soldiers on foreign soil is to kill them. That's why we have this war that Russia has chosen to engage in, and which Russia can choose to withdraw from at any time. That's why Russians are dying by the hundreds of thousands.
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Crimeans overwhelming support Russia against the post-2014 fascist coup gov in Ukraine
People in Donbass too as you'd expect. They welcomed the Russian army as liberators in 2022 from the current fascist Ukraine gov
It's a shame that people who say they support "Ukraine" usually mean the 2014 fascist coup gov instead of the Ukrainian breakaway regions resisting it.
Slightly off-topic but I really enjoyed the way Horizon Zero Dawn (spoilers ahead) illustrated the military industrial complex with Ted Faro. The dude was so convinced he was right about everything that not only did he help create the deadliest legion of machines ever conceived, he also deleted all knowledge acquired by humanity because he fucked up so bad that he thought anyone less smart than him (read:everyone else) would fuck up just as bad if not worse with the same knowledge. I imagine most real military contractors are lead by people who are similarly humble