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My gf and I have had discussions about teaching morals to kids. In that vein, I asked myself, would I teach piracy to my kids? Yes, it’s technically illegal and carries inherent risks. But so does teenage sex carry the risks of teenage pregnancy, and so we have an obligation to children to teach them how to practice safe sex. So, is it necessary to teach them how to stay safe in the sea? How to install adblockers, how to detect fake download sites that give you computer aids? Show them how to use a VPN and choosing the right one (a true pirate must always choose a VPN with port forwarding capabilities, so you can still seed) I feel like this is all valuable info we all learned as pirates the hard way, and valuable information to pass on to our kids.

I definitely want my kids to know about libgen. Want a book you want to read about? Wanna learn about dinosaurs from a college level textbook for whatever reason? Just go to libgen, son!

And I attribute most of my computer literacy and education to piracy, trying to install cracks to various games, trying to make games work, and modding the fuck out of skyrim as a young teenager. That, and also jailbreaking android phones. All the interesting things i’ve ever done with computers was probably against some BS terms of service.

So, is piracy something you would actively teach your kids? Sit them down and teach them how to install a Fallout 3 FitGirl repack? Or is this something you’d want them to figure out themselves?

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[–] ulterno@lemmy.kde.social 1 points 6 months ago

It's not the result, but the process.

You can teach ppl stuff all you want, but what they really need, is to learn how to figure it out themselves. Otherwise, when the best practices you teach them become obsolete, they won't be able to create their own.

[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 1 points 6 months ago

Adblockers? Absolutely! The good adblockers (ublock origin with more lists enabled) also help to thwart trackers.

And by your example, yes, even piracy, not just because I agree with doing it, but because if they will be going to do that too, they could as well do it safely, to the extent it's possible.

Interestingly, as I read your post, a lot of topics align already with what I deem even more important: privacy. It seems it's not only the words that are similar.

[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago

Piracy is a great example of a topic where legality and morality aren't the same.

Those kinds of topics are incredibly valuable teaching moments for children.

I would teach them when they are mature enough. Help them understand why some people think it is wrong, when/why you think it is acceptable, and how to do it safely.

You can teach them the difference between actual theft and copying. Explain how piracy has benefited humanity as a whole, explain why knowledge and cultural experiences shouldn't be gate kept by mega-corps from underprivileged people.

There are so many valuable lessons that you as parents could pass on to your kids through the topic of piracy.

And as every major platform enshitifies and information of all kinds gets locked behind more paywalls, piracy will become a more and more important skill to have.

[–] jnk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Nobody taught me, so I'm not teaching anyone. Nobody banned me from doing it tho, so there's my answer. Piracy is a consequence of freedom, among other things.

[–] scoobford@lemmy.zip 0 points 6 months ago

I'd teach them once they are old enough to understand it on a technical level, as well as the potential consequences.

And I find your comparison to sex ed very strange. Sex is something they will do with huge consequences if they fuck up. They need to understand it, and they need to understand it early.

[–] fin@sh.itjust.works -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Don’t. They’ll learn anyways. You’re gonna deprive them of the joy of learning to pirate (lol)

Seriously, teaching how to pirate is not what parents should do

[–] freebee@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 months ago

you're better off teaching your kids how some things work, what might be safe to do online and what might be less safe, what possible implications for right holders and creators there might be if you pirate (and that those right holders and creators are often not the same people). Teach them to think for themselves if it's worse to pirate a 35 yo movie you can't find on dvd anymore, or a brand new movie that's still showing in the local cinema. All of this is better than just telling kids "piracy is bad mmmkay!" and then letting them roam free so they start pointing and clicking utter bullshit and using a virus infested os.

Tldr: educate children, talking about piracy is part of it.

[–] lseif@sopuli.xyz -1 points 6 months ago

im not saying my parents introduced me to piracy, but we did have a lot of downloaded movies "from a friend"

[–] jeena@jemmy.jeena.net -1 points 6 months ago
[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Media piracy is in the tradition of oyster piracy (stealing from landlords trying to control the oyster market) and the golden age (robbing the Spanish silver train that was exploiting the nations of the new world) in that it's crime against unreasonable state regimes.

This is not to say underground media sharing has always had the moral high-ground, and it's not even to say that fair copyright laws are unreasonable, but since the mid 20th century (since Disney, essentially) intellectual property law has not served the public in a community effort to build a robust public domain of ideas and content, rather has been used to do the opposite, to favor established businesses over new ones with complete disregard for the public.

But then there's the technological matter, where DRM is used to obstruct of sharing (reasonable or otherwise, legal or otherwise). Here in the states it's legal to use DRM to obstruct legal backups and sharing, but it's not legal to bypass DRM to facilitate legal backups and sharing. It shows us that our regulatory agencies are captured, that our government serves rich companies and plutocrats rather than the public. The law runs contrary to the social contract.

We are in an age in which our language (English) only has words for wrongdoing that acknowledges two authorities: Sin (wrongness against the Church -- allegedly against God) and Crime (wrongness against the state, in accordance to what laws are enforced by a legal system). When we talk about other entities that can be wrong, say, individuals, the community, the world population, ecosystems outside of human society, we have to make do with the words we have, e.g. sin against nature, crimes against humanity, and so on.

Intellectual property law is a construct that (according to the Constitution of the United States) was intended to do a thing that it has totally failed at, going as far as creating perverse incentives to misuse the law. And given the companies that produce the media we might pirate are poor at compensating artists and developers, or at recognizing licenses already established (say, your DVD copy of Ghostbusters when the new medium emerges), given they pirate each other's content shamelessly, and will steal yours outright if you can't outspend them in court, it has actually become more ethical to pirate content than to buy it legitimately.

But I'd teach my kids not just to pirate, but to recognize shoddy work from good work, and to not consume at all when they can, since consuming content benefits its producers, whether or not it's acquired legally. (The MCU is about hero-team organizations who defend the status quo from all enemies, including the far left, and including those who want the human species to have a future. So they're not really our heroes, are they? Batman runs around and beats up poor people, leaving the wealthy to continue to rule over the rest of us whose last resort is crime.

If we're going to consume content, let's use it to inspire the content we make ourselves, until commercial content is entirely unwanted and unnecessary. This is the future the MPAA and RIAA fear. Not everyone pirating their stuff, but everyone not bothered to pirate their stuff.

Edit: Clarification

[–] veniasilente@lemm.ee -1 points 6 months ago

mods where is the "upvote twice" button?

[–] drunkensailor@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

ain't got none but hyptotheticaly, sure. better'n them gettin busted with a dcma or whatever cuz they dont know how to chekc for dns leaks and use failsafes to block non-vpn access. most of us started off and had to lern ho wto do shit the reight way. why nt help em do beter

i woldnt want my kibds to be soem kind of normies that dont even know wtf a vpn is

[–] dirtypirate@kbin.social -1 points 6 months ago

one time a student pirated some expensive CAD software and learned it, that student went on to become the purchasing agent for a company and guess what software the company purchased?

the software that was learned already.

$100 student lisc was pirated and that pirate purchased 10 license at $5k per.

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

You're asking this in a piracy community, so you'll obviously get a certain kind of answer. Not saying you should or shouldn't, just be aware of the bias of where you're asking this question.

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