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So Elon gutted Twitter, and people jumped ship to Mastodon. Now spez did... you know... and we're on Lemmy and Kbin. Can we have a YouTube to PeerTube exodus next? With the whole ad-pocalypse over there, seems like Google is itching for it.

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[–] sojourn@geddit.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you think an ad-pocalypse is bad, then why would they jump to a platform with no ads at all? They'd likely be paying to be on that platform. Also the fact streaming video from a self hosting platform is much more demanding then text fedi instances like Lemmy or Mastodon. Also no way the fedi could keep up with even a fraction of YouTube's creator tools, or their audience which is their bottom line.

YouTube will probably never be replaced. We can at least go for private front ends like Invidious.

[–] TractorEnjoyer@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://tutanota.com/blog/google-youtube-invidious-privacy-alternative

Google is probably going to kill private front ends rather sooner than later. First signs are already there.

[–] Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi 3 points 1 year ago

Except they can't - invidious uses the same front end APIs as the YouTube website. It probably also does web scraping.

Sure it's a violation of TOS(frontend TOS - not API TOS) but because it latches on to publicly available parts of the YouTube system (in a similar way to yt-dlp) it's essentially got a free pass - you can't stop people from using freely accessible parts however they want. As a result it's not able to use the accounts system (or at least, it shouldn't be.

Yt doesn't really have a leg to stand on.. it might not stop them from trying to sue. But in the very least it won't stop people from forking the invidious code and building their own in a sort of striesand effect. Even if the original product dies, invidious as a whole won't, and can't die.

[–] TheLuchenator@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

its really interesting how much we want an alt to common social medias now imo. for example, streamers are migrating from Twitch to Kick, and as you mentioned, Youtube to PeerTube/rumble

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[–] rowinofwin@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nebula has been quite successful as far as I can tell. A whole bunch of educational YouTubers have moved over or were part of establishing it and honestly it works well. Videos can download to your device, the quality is the same, the app is a tiny bit janky but nowhere near as bad as all the ads etc on the YouTube app, and the cost is actually reasonable and goes in a reasonable share to the creators. I strongly prefer direct access to creators like this and also like on Patreon. Direct support means there is no advertiser in between to demonetise a video or have it taken down because it is controversial. You can't even have a WW2 documentary on YouTube but you can have actual Nazis, but on Nebula you get analysis and history without Nike or Surfshark being reticent to sponsor a video.

[–] lemann@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

Mentioning Nebula reminded me that I wanted to set up an account on there - just did and very impressed with the amount of creators, some have never even mentioned that they've got a channel there?

[–] techno156@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

I don't think so. The idea might be nice, but Peertube has neither the audience, nor the monetisation of platforms like YouTube. Moving to peertube just isn't a good business decision for that.

Video hosting is also expensive, especially since they would also have to deal with DMCA claims and all of that. YouTube wasn't really profitable, or even breaking even until rather recently, nearly a full decade after they started. It's not really economical to do video hosting quite like that.

Peertube might be good for casual use, but I also can't see any content creators using it. (Not unlike 2005 YouTube in that sense), and the lack of content creators also means a lack of audience (and through them, content) that might attract more users over. People are more likely to move over to something like Patreon or Twitch instead.

Peertube always felt hard to use, and no one has really caught on to it imo.

[–] arth@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Have a look at tilvids.com. I know of a couple of large YouTubers that crosspost their stuff there, and there are probably more that I don't know about.

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[–] pkulak@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gotta be a way for folks to get paid. Most of the folks I watch on YouTube do it for a living.

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[–] GunnarRunnar@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Would creators actually move there? Say what you will about YouTube but at least they usually compensate the creators.

[–] ilikenoodlez@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Problem is youtube is a platform that pays its content creators. It won't ever happen. If discord ever decides they want to be profitable then that'll be next.

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[–] Somewhereunknown7351@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Replacing YouTube is a bad idea

[–] Hovenko@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

I would rather go for reasonable competition. Ideally more than one. I really enjoy nebula for example.

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[–] Tom_Winter@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

If Youtube blocks Adblockers, maybe.. but I think ppl will go to Odysse&Co first

[–] mim@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Doubt it, it's expensive to host and creators won't have ways to ways to monetize it as easily as YouTube.

Also, I wouldn't really call the Twitter and Reddit cases "exodus". As much as I would like to see the fediverse succeed, the number of users on mastodon and Lemmy are just a blip on the radar.

I still see the same links on my Lemmy frontage days after they have been submitted, it's far less active than Reddit.

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[–] Eggyhead@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

First I’ve heard of alternatives to YouTube. Do they pay content creators the same or is it just people posting for free there?

[–] django@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

They are just offering the free service of video hosting. There are no advertisements and no paid accounts, so all they could share are costs, not income. They are not an advertisement/monetarization service.

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[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I see the switch from YouTube will be the final move, because it is has the most hurdles to overcome. Smart people will eventually figure out an efficient way to get things rolling. Fingers crossed it's soon!

[–] ztb@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Reddit has 500 million MAU, and this is a conservative estimate. Youtube on the other hand, is sitting comfortably at 4x this number, 2 billion MAU.

Considering that, and the nature of the platform, I'm pretty certain they are too big to fail.

[–] Saganastic@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No one is too big too fail. There just needs to be a better service, which right now there definitely is not.

[–] Valdair@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

And hosting text, images and links on decentralized servers is one thing. High bitrate video, plus the network infrastructure to serve it, is kind of a whole different ballgame. I could see this system working for some kind of torrent/file sharing service that hosts video but not a YouTube competitor.

[–] TheOtherJake@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The thing I find fascinating is I only have 1 reddit account, but I effectively have dozens of YT accounts. Just on this device I have newpipe, and libretube. Libretube has around a dozen auto generated random instances associated. Both my laptops have Freetube. I had 4 regular YouTube channels with various gmail accounts linked from when I actually posted content. Practically every device I have replaced had random YT accounts too. I know what I like to watch and importing and exporting features usually fail.

Maybe it is just newpipe being screwy but in my watch history, newpipe shows how many times I've watched any given upload. Most stuff I've watched says some bogus number of views like 6-10 when I just watched it once. Some report correctly, but most do not. It would not surprise me if this is actually YouTube. I can say, for most of the stuff I watch I'm a solid 2 dozen subscribers or more.

[–] Drewelite@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

I think this is super interesting, and a really good idea. But as others have stated in this thread, very costly.

However until technology catches up, maybe we could have an interstitial federated platform. One that's super decentralized. Like 90% of the users running their own instance, decentralized. Anyone with a NAS can host they're own vids. Then the other 10% that are willing to host high bandwidth, high capacity servers, can work as caching for the most popular videos.

[–] holothuroid@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's unlikely. Both Reddit and Twitter speak or at least spoke to people who enjoy a certain image of being anti establishment (in one way or another and whether that's warranted or not). Youtube just doesn't. You can't get more mainstream than Youtube.

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