this post was submitted on 11 Jun 2023
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I have seen that the lemmy.ml mods will openly ban discussion about the CCP. I am wondering if the sh.itjust.works team allows criticism of government bodies, while still banning racism.

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[–] TheDude@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Any government or governing body should be open to criticism. They are suppose to be working for the people they serve. How is anyone going to know better if no one tells them what they are doing wrong? @wriggly3171@sh.itjust.works you have my support

[–] this@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Right on! So I have a question, if I posted something that got me banned from lemmy.ml (such as an article criticizing the CCP for example) I would just not have access to the communities on that instance right? Like it won't affect my experience in other instances right?

[–] TheDude@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] lemme@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

👆my dude this is yet another reason why I like it here

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[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 110 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Let's find out: The CCP is committing genocide against the Uighur people

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Mao Zedong was a little piss baby who hid in the mountains while the KMT fought the Japanese.

[–] nootnoot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

The KMT was also bad and also definitely killed innocent people, in China and in Taiwan, see for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_28_incident

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[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If I get banned, it wasn't worth being here in the first place.

[–] theFinestFellow@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

totally agree, the ccp are evil

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago
[–] lemmywinks@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Adding the people of occupied Tibet to this.

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[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

*Occupied Tibet

[–] peotr26@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] ljubashin@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Also lemmygrad is blocked here. As a person born in eastern block, fuck communism and tankies.

[–] passport@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

just came over here after poking around some of the other instances and the quality increase from not having tankies brigading shit is truly amazing

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[–] alternativeninja@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 1 year ago (11 children)

I hope so, although it's not something I personally care too much about.

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[–] parsifal@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago

Kowtowing to the shitty chinese government is cowardice.

[–] Raveena@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago

Why would they delete discussion like that? Are they waiting to IPO their Lemmy instance?

[–] root@lemmy.belclayfer.net 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ooof the admins are weighing in on that linked thread at lemmy.ml and it's not a good look if you are in favor of human rights

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[–] jnj@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The Lemmy project openly describes itself in its public documentation as anti-US, and was apparently founded around the idea that Reddit is fundamentally anti-China and pro-US: https://join-lemmy.org/docs/en/users/07-history-of-lemmy.html

The doc starts off talking about open source, but it quickly becomes clear that the Lemmy project is primarily political in nature.

To me this is concerning -- what happens when largely pro-US Reddit refugees swarm a community (community in the general sense, not the Lemmy sense) which was intended by the founders to combat those peoples views? Sure, instances and people can choose to ignore the lemmy.ml instance, but the founders control the project at a much deeper level than that.

Personally I hope that alternative implementations that are compatible with Lemmy arise, totally outside of the influence of the original founders. Yes there is kbin, but I actually prefer the Lemmy model (from what I've seen so far), and I think there would only be benefits of having another high quality implementation which is totally separate yet totally compatible with the original Lemmy. It would make the whole thing more resilient, and could be fertile ground for future improvements to flourish.

[–] b_n@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Is that post really anti us and pro china though? To me it looks like anti pro us, and anti anti china.

Also, how do you see the founders controlling the project more? Especially at the "much deeper level"?

I'm a New Zealander living in The Netherlands, whether you choose to believe that or not.

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[–] ronaldtemp1@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Criticising pro-US doesn't necessarily mean anti-US, you can be in the middle. Similarly, criticising anti-China doesn't necessarily mean pro-China. Praising when something good was really done and criticising when something bad was really done, you can achieve at least some level of unbiased, rational and reasonable opinion.

[–] LlamaSutra@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (7 children)

The great thing about Lemmy is that it's all decentralized. Lemmy.ml mods and admins can't do anything about other instances

[–] Tree6024@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Technically correct, much like you can't do anything about what your neighbour does in their own home.

However, what sh.itjust.works and lemmy.ml can do is block 'bad server' communication.

They can also enforce rules on their own 'home' as it were.

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[–] sharp@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

There's some talk about "a rise in anti-China posts that have hit Reddit lately" in https://join-lemmy.org/docs/en/users/07-history-of-lemmy.html, which struck me as odd.

Criticism of any governments should be allowed, especially authoritarian ones.

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[–] lee@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yo, fuck the CCP!!!!!!! If sh.itjust.works doesn't like it I'm out

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