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[–] hunterhog@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Reposting something I wrote in another community I hang out in, but it feels appropriate to the topic:

I won't pretend "Reddit is dying" or anything of the sort, but I have noticed something interesting (that is maybe something I should've noticed long, long ago), and that is that subreddits have an insane concentration of whiny entitled lurkers that seem to want content catered and spoonfed to them.

During this whole debacle, I've seen creators and enthusiasts that drive the traffic be perfectly content creating elsewhere because it was more about expressing their passion of a topic than cultivating some kind of audience. No matter the alternative they chose, they have plenty of outlets for their creation. But everyone else hates this. All of the bitching about blackouts that I've seen haven't been "man I wanted to post cool shit" but more "where am I supposed to get cool stuff from?".

In general, what I've seen is a slight decline in activity, but a sharp decline in quality. Comparatively, my experience in Lemmy thus far has been that people creating were fine moving elsewhere to do their thing, and while communities are still small, I've seen a lot more long-form, thoughtful and respectful discussion because everyone there was a creator and enthusiast about that topic. Looking at the profiles of people commenting, they've typically posted at least once in that community already.

Meanwhile on Reddit, since the blackout wore off on certain subs, I've seen a lot of this:

[In the original, here would be an image of a typical current comment thread in a blackout-related post, but the context of it is explained below anyway]

Where people who bitch about the blackout because "but I wanted to discuss x!!" are then invited to discuss exactly that, and the conversation goes something along the lines of

"I wanted to discuss x!"

"Oh cool, me too. I like x y z about it, though I preferred if x was like this instead, and maybe z could be polished a little more"

"Well, idk I like it"

"ok 👍"

or just

"i like this"

"i like this too 👍"

because they don't actually have any proper formulated thoughts or opinions on the subject beyond surface-level observations, brand identity or attachment, or if they do have them, they don't have the drive to create or lead conversations about it and just lurk waiting for said content and thoughts to be delivered for them.

Which makes the already bad state of egregious repost bots rising to the top because people keep upvoting the same topics over and over even worse.

In a way, I guess it's kinda similar to what happened with 9gag when that hit critical mass.

To expand on this, I also find it interesting and perplexing just how far that entitlement goes. Moderators are on the verge of losing critical tools, and they're essential in maintaining the quality of the discussions held. Creators create the topics of discussion, and are the main driving force in setting the baseline quality of said discussions, and as power users are more likely to be the ones to depend on third party apps to create the content people browse.

Both seem fine with the situation, and/or migration, and very understandably go "Hey we feel disrespected on this platform and are moving to x where we feel we can thrive better without external influences deriding our community" and lurkers, who contribute nothing and have the least barrier of entry because they essentially just need to change the url they search the same terms in, stomp their feet and cry "but I want you to discuss things for my entertainment HERE!!!" like two year olds.

Edited to add, here on Lemmy:

I'm hopeful that this situation will show moderators they can curate a dedicated community anywhere with similar (actually relevant) post flow and quality, but without enduring the abuse of the platform they host it in and a bunch of on-lookers. I really hope they don't buckle in the name of "but we're already established / have so many people / are such a good resource" because all these things can be true elsewhere without receiving death threats or mod mail spam for doing the right thing.

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[–] p05@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I noticed that. I made a comment saying something along the lines of me disagreeing with mods going public after only 2 days and got downvoted like crazy but not three days ago it would of been the other way. Just honestly done with that site anyway so going to download wikis from the subs that come back and be done with it.

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[–] aski3252@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think there is a strong difference between people who were on reddit before and after 2016. People who joined after were already used to the official app and new website design, they don't know anything else, so they tend not to care.

There are also a lot of lurkers and casual browsers, they also tend not to care.

The ones who do care a are very loud about it is mainly the old school hardcore members who did not have an official reddit app and who never got used to the new design

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[–] JarmenKell@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People are so weak when it comes to shit like this. Nobody cares about their obligations anymore and it weakens the fight for thoes that care. Not just talking about the reddit blackout. Feels like this is the case with many things in life…

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[–] Xenxs@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have a feeling many of those critical to the protest don't yet fully grasp what a Reddit without 3rd party apps will look like. They'll soon find out how shit the base experience is without those apps. And we all know old.reddit won't stay around for long either

[–] Liz@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago

It's my understanding that the latest numbers just before the API nonsense put the old and unofficial users only at around 5% of the total userbase. While I suspect that they had disproportionate engagement and moderator numbers, I think most of the people who don't care really are in the vast majority who aren't immediately affected by the change.

Just as with any diversity issue (in this case, a diversity of personality types) the majority is going to find the quality of Reddit content will start to slip as the minority leaves. Failing to stand up for the people who are loudly proclaiming they've got a problem is going to affect everyone, even though it's not immediately obvious.

Also, most of the people who really care have already left.

[–] MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Too bad, cause this is WAY better than reddit for my use case. I am interacting the exact same way, only more of what I like. I don't really wanna interact with a reddit hive mind one liner pun. I want to interact with human beings.

This place is pushing the envelope. That's a good place to be imo.

I would go proselytize to draw people in, but I literally made zero human connection there, so all I could do is dump random comments. Nah. Let it happen if it's gonna happen.

[–] Spikey@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I’m guessing it’s cuz people who actually cared aren’t on Reddit rn tho

[–] Kachajal@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For better or for worse, spez was correct in claiming that this will just blow over. People in general are shit at boycotts, redditors doubly so - there's barely any group cohesion or leadership there.

The people who see an issue with reddit's current behavior have left, the others will just keep going on a much shittier platform. As it has ever been.

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