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Does being vegan mean zero use of anything derived from animals? (lemmy.ml)

submitted 1 year ago by robador51@lemmy.ml to c/vegan@lemmy.ml

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Are there any animal products which are not the result of exploitation or cruelty (hypothetically)? For instance, wool comes to my mind as a product that could be obtained in a completely animal friendly manner. Just curious what you think.

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[–] Unmapped@lemmy.fmhy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Yes. Unless it's necessary for survival.

As for your whool example. While it is possible to shear a sheep without harming them. The sheep that require being sheared should not exist. "Wild" sheep shed and don't require shearing to survive. We shouldn't even be breeding them.

It also commodifies them. Which leads to factory farming and harmful practices. The vast majority of all whool is definitely not collected in an animal friendly manner.

[–] Link@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

It is in theory possible to obtain animal products without violating their rights. Like someone else mentioned, picking up a feather from the ground is totally vegan for example.

Wool however is a bit more complicated. The reason sheep produce massive amounts of wool in the first place is because we selectively bred them to do so. Shearing a sheep can be beneficial for the sheep, but it is a problem we should not have created (or continue to create) in the first place.

I think we should stop breeding animals that have all sorts of genetic problems we created. That includes sheep that don't shed and need shearing to not overheat in the summer, it includes chickens that lay so many eggs their bones break due to calcium deficiency, etc.

[–] OofShoot@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It depends on who you ask. The most committed vegans say yes, the less committed shrug their shoulders and don't worry too much about it.

Can you guess which kind I am?

Well you're wrong. I'm not vegan. I had to quit due to health reasons.

Anyway, it's not like being vegan is a religion; avoid animal products as much as you want. Every little bit helps, but I wouldn't beat yourself up over the small stuff.

Personally, I walked around in leather boots the whole time I was eating vegan, because leather is an extremely durable material with no suitable non-animal replacement. I still have those boots. I would have gone through multiple pairs of shoes were it not for those boots. I am very thankful to the cow or bull that had to give up its life so I could have those boots.

Judging by the rest of the comments, yeah, not gonna be a popular answer.