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Why We Need [Eco]Socialism (www.youtube.com)

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Troy Vettese, Drew Pendergrass, Half-Earth Socialism (2022)
Max Ajl, A People’s Green New Deal (2021)
Red Nation, The Red Deal (2021)

“Imagine a world where you don’t feel forced to go to your job just to put food on the table, where climate collapse isn’t driving every global disaster. A world where decisions about what products get made, what public goods are free and accessible, are made by everyday people, not by CEOs and board members. A world where community and chosen family are just a bike ride, a high-speed train, or a quick walk away.”

“The goal of oppressors is to limit your imagination about what is possible without them, so you might never imagine more for yourself and the world you live in.”

—Ashley C. Ford

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

OCC is such a good channel. Their emphasis on ecosocialism was a game changer for me

[–] cerement@slrpnk.net 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

now do Andrewism and discover library economy

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I've watched andrewism and his library economy video before, it's truly a revolutionary idea! It completely changed how I felt about economies in general, and I think it should be the basis of a solarpunk economy

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 2 points 10 months ago

The SRSLY WRONG podcast has a lot of cool musings on library socialism too.

[+] Marsupial@quokk.au -11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Socialism is a waste of time.

Skip to the end step of anarchy, of which SolarPunk is.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Anarchism is a kind of socialism. It is a society which is structured as to eliminate rulership, which inherently means giving the people control over the means of production, which is the core of socialism.

You can't make anarchism happen without meeting the goals of socialism too. I don't accept any of the flavours of anarchism that don't look after vulnerable members of society. Anarchism is anti-ruler, and not looking after the vulnerable leaves an opening for rulers to return to dominate and exploit those people under the guise of being their saviours, or just because they are, you know, vulnerable.

If you've learned that socialism is statist, that's just statists coopting the term. There is nothing in the concept that requires a state unless you believe a state is necessary to organise people, which obviously anarchists don't.

[–] metaStatic@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago

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[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net -2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Anarcho Capitalism disagrees with you.

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 10 months ago

Ancap aren't real anarchist (nor socialist) to begin with.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Uh, yeah, I know.

I don't accept any of the flavours of anarchism that don't look after vulnerable members of society.

What about that was unclear?

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I do apologize. Obviously when you ignore the parts of anarchism, which are not socialist, then all of anarchism is socialist. I overread it and should have known better.

[–] Marsupial@quokk.au 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

AnCap is an oxymoron.

[–] cerement@slrpnk.net 1 points 10 months ago

ancap is American chuuni – 14 year olds being edgy

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 2 points 10 months ago

Okay, I don't want to antagonise you unnecessarily. My snarky tone was because it sounded like you were promoting an ancap ideology, but your profile tells me I was wrong about that. Personally if I bring up any ideology that I consider harmful like ancap, I am very careful to frame it as something I disagree with.

It does seem like you're saying that I'm making a truism, like I've constrained my definition of anarchism artificially so that it excludes certain kinds. If that's what you're saying, I don't think that's true. I think the concept of ancapism is based on the notion that anarchy means "no rules", which is not true. Anarchy means "no rulers", which is a very, very different thing. If an ideology is indifferent to the emergence of quasi feudal states and warlords, as ancapism is, then it fails on the first test of even ideologically opposing the one thing anarchism is against.

Here's a very good writeup on how even Murray Rothbard, the originator of right-"libertarianism" or "anarcho"-capitalism concluded that his ideas were not anarchist: https://www.anarchistfaq.org/afaq/blog/rothbard-not-anarchists.html

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

I'm an anarcho-syndicalist, and I absolutely dream of a solarpunk world. An anarchist society would still have a socialist economy.