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Wayland is not killing smaller distributions. Who even came up with that batshit crazy idea?

Flatpak is good for diversity. Users don't need to worry about whether the obscure distro they want to use has the software they want in its repos. If a distro supports flatpak it will work with most popular software out of the box.

X11 is already dead, and it will not become more or less usable it will always stay the way it's and wayland will get better. that's the difference and flatpak is just an option it doesn't try to replace what's already availible. spreading distrust and misinformation about these softwares doesn't help

Wayland reduces bugs and standardizes the desktop, and flatpak makes it easier for distros to include apps without going through the process of packaging them.

This post is FUD bullshit, Wayland and Flatpak are making it easier to run an indie distro.

Distros should be free to evolve and fill any amd every niche. Let the rivers of life flow.

People complaining about something opensource not doing what they want it to do: dudes/dudettes, if you want to maintain X11, go right ahead. Or if you want it maintained, pay somebody to do it. But stop this incessant whining about opensource devs choosing a direction you don't like and pretending it's the end of the world. This isn't some faceless, megacorp with closed-source shit you have no control over.

If all the people complaining about wayland either put their energy to positive stuff like making wayland better or making X11 better, this wouldn't be a problem.

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Flatpak doesn't conform to the XDG home directory, and that upsets me. Also we have an ongoing dispute between SI and IEC units on their GitHub. But I like it otherwise.

Wayland is so much better than X. You don't have to use it but its simplicity means most of the Linux community is going to.

The several distros is a thing of sheer beauty. It's like the meritocratic free market -- everyone can participate and the only way to win is to make something better than anyone else.

To devils advocate a little in general with this topic: For wider spread adoption, Linux kinda needs to adopt around more standards. If you put yourself in the shoes of the average windows or Mac (even iOS/Android) user; it's an overall standardized experience.

Linux now, is mostly a choice of DE and package manager. I still absolutely want distros like arch and Gentoo to still exists as they are.

I suddenly have the urge to daily drive Hannah Montana Linux

Ok, but nobody explained what the equivalent of "ssh -X" was supposed to be with wayland.

Flatpak packages still suck at integration without breaking something in the core app. They're really great for bleeding edge and cross distro support tho.

Wayland still can't do all the cool tricks X11 can, so it's not like it's really being forced upon anyone beyond X11 losing on potential major updates which is unlikely.

DEs are willing to switch to Wayland given that it is either equal or superior to X11 which is still not the case for several scenarios and applications.

I don't mind Wayland but I sure hope flatpack will not become the default way to distribute packages. Most packages I tried so far didn't work. I just avoid it now.

More like "Wayland is getting killed by my Nvidia card"

Honestly anything that doesn't get ported to wayland is probably old enough that it doesn't really make sense to use as your primary desktop anyway. The most niche DE I regularly use is NsCDE, but it's entirely FVWM scripts and FVWM is planning on adding wayland support. It'll be a little sad to lose things like Trinity, WindowMaker, and Afterstep, but they were never amazing anyway and either way I doubt X will actually be unusable for a long time still.

Yes -flatpak. I'm not a big fan. It's nice though

I like the way standardisation is going, everything is going to be on the bee standard and that that isnt being updated too well too bad. What seperates us from the windows users is we can evolve if ya look at the distro tree it looks a lot like natrual selection to me

Wayland is still too immature. I couldn't get it to work on my Kubuntu distro.

And then there's this list of problems with Wayland.

https://gist.github.com/probonopd/9feb7c20257af5dd915e3a9f2d1f2277

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"Move fast and break things" may be fine for software gurus who love to experiment and have no problem hitting their head against the wall every few days while believing in the promise of a free-to-fix future, but this isn't true for poor or busy people who are NOT middle class folks living in their own house in a suburb with a garage full of computer parts. There are single parents, caregivers with disabled and/or elderly, folks who need a reliable computer for their studies, and in general people who simply need something that JUST WORKS.

I'm a caregiver, and unfortunate I'm poor enough that I don't have money to buy a commercial OS. Heck, I wish Windows just worked instead of making old versions obsolete. I was perfectly fine with Windows 7 ten years ago until Microsoft started doing planned obsolescence bullshit with their forced updates. I had to switch to Linux because Windows became very unreliable and I needed a stable platform that wouldn't ruin my work.

(So if you're one of the persons who reply to "Help my Linux is having problems" with "well you should know Linux is like that, you should have thought it twice before switching", then you're part of the problem because that's a very, very shitty answer to give to a non technical end user with limited time and resources)

The year of the Linux desktop will never arrive if developers keep pushing incomplete and buggy software to the end users instead of actually fixing bugs and delivering their stuff ONLY when they're ready.

Wayland is NOT ready for the end user.

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