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Is Ubuntu deserving the hate? (lemmy.ml)

submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by Loucypher@lemmy.ml to c/linux@lemmy.ml

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Long story short, I have a desktop with Fedora, lovely, fast, sleek and surprisingly reliable for a near rolling distro (it failed me only once back around Fedora 34 or something where it nuked Grub). Tried to install on a 2012 i7 MacBook Air… what a slog!!!!! Surprisingly Ubuntu runs very smooth on it. I have been bothering all my friends for years about moving to Fedora (back then it was because I hated Unity) but now… I mean, I know that we are suppose to hate it for Snaps and what not but… Christ, it does run well! In fairness all my VMs are running DietPi (a slimmed version of Ubuntu) and coming back to the APT world feels like coming back home.

On the other end forcing myself to be on Fedora allows me to stay on the DNF world that is compatible with Amazon Linux etc (which I use for work), it has updated packages, it is nice and clean…. Argh, don’t know how to decide!

Thoughts?

I am not in the mood for Debian. I like the Mint approach but I am not a fan of slow rolling releases and also would like to keep myself as close as upstream as possible, the Debian version is the only one that seems reliable enough but, again, it is Debian, the packages are “old”. Pop Os and similar are two hops away from upstream and so I’d rather not.

Is Snap really that bad?

Edit: thank you all for sharing your experience !

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[–] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I used to use Ubuntu before unity and switched to Debian 👑 in 2012. I still have to use Ubuntu for work and I just get on with it. It could be worse.... I could have to use windows.

Anyway my main gripes with Ubuntu are snaps and how they keep swapping packages in apt to be installed as snaps .

I dont hate it, its a tool and in most cases I can use it and there is no problem if not there are other options.

[–] juli@programming.dev 1 points 11 months ago

What if you just use distrobox in the future? You can use debian/ubuntu with it on whatever system you use. On my fedora silverblue installation almost everything is seperated from the OS. I barely touch the OS. It doesn't really matter if I'm on silverblue, microos or vanillaos. I want to switch to microos because it comes with firefox as a flatpak ootb and other minor things. It's jist not worth it anymore to switch the distro

[–] octatron@lmy.drundo.com.au 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Is nixos very upstream? I kinda like the idea of creating an immutable script that assembles my os just how I like, configured installed and ready with flatpaks for apps so they're all sitting securely in their respective boxes. I think this is also Chris Fishers preference as well ;)

[–] Shareni@programming.dev 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I've tried running guix for a while and it was pure pain.

For example, a small change that would take adding a few lines in a single file, becomes a week long brainfuck of modifying the system configuration and rewriting package definitions.

It's incomparably more smooth to just use it as an extra pm instead of a whole distro.

[–] sovietknuckles@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago

I have a desktop with Fedora

IMO snaps aren't bad enough to choose IBM instead

[–] Rosco@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago

If you want something user-friendly, use Linux Mint. There's really no reason to choose Ubuntu over this. And for any other use it's outclassed by other distros, it does not fill a niche. And I personally think that GNOME is crap and quite hideous.

[–] Montagge@kbin.social -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Snap isn't that bad
Ubuntu is fine
People are not

[–] GnomeComedy@beehaw.org 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Snap is that bad when it doesnt work on network home directories, and both firefox and chromium (included in tbe distro) have been moved to snaps... So the included browsers can't even open.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1884299

[–] Montagge@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Lol a bug report from 2020

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