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[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 218 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It’s amazing how little leverage they have when you stop using their products.

[–] ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world 81 points 11 months ago (9 children)

More than you think. They are also actively seeking ways to make that leverage effect more people.

They are defining web standards. They control chrome and chromium. So all of the alternative browsers that aren't safari and Firefox are using Google's web engine. Even Firefox and safari are beholden to Google as they fund both these web browsers through their default search deals.

Google after many failed messaging apps has taken on RCS messaging. They provide most of the supporting infrastructure through their Jibe servers. They don't allow anyone but themselves and Samsung to make an RCS app on android. They also had a campaign to pressure apple to use RCS. It's likely apple's RCS will be following Google's Jibe service closely, as they've already said their will work with Google on this. Google successfully got most RCS messages going through their servers, with apple on board with RCS itll see most SMS messages defaulting to RCS and most of those going through Google.

They also have deep hooks into education market with their OneDrive/Google docs products and Chromebooks.

Most privacy focused android alternatives recommend Google hardware.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 14 points 11 months ago

I use Safari, Firefox, and DuckDuckGo.

[–] clegko@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

They are defining web standards. They control chrome and chromium. So all of the alternative browsers that aren’t safari and Firefox are using Google’s web engine. Even Firefox and safari are beholden to Google as they fund both these web browsers through their default search deals.

🎶 I think I've seen this film before... 🎶

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[–] magic_lobster_party@kbin.social 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Don’t worry. They will find ways to force you using their products.

[–] casmael@lemm.ee 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Meh I think they might be overestimating their market position if that’s the strategy

[–] magic_lobster_party@kbin.social 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I think they’re in a better position than Microsoft when they tried to make ActiveX and Silverlight a thing. They own the two most visited websites. On top of that, they own the most used web browser and the most used operating system (judged by web use).

[–] Tygr@lemmy.world 116 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Firefox is loving every week of this as they head towards launch. Market share is guaranteed to improve.

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 48 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)
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[–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 77 points 11 months ago (5 children)

My 5 years old decided to switch to Firefox after I told him google chrome will not block ads on YouTube anymore.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 42 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

That's the iq it takes yeah. :)

Not saying anything bad about your son, hopefully you understand what I mean.

[–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago

Don’t talk to my son ever again! /s Yeah most adults are just very tall 4 year olds.

[–] sour@kbin.social 26 points 11 months ago

invite to fediverse

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[–] Synthead@lemmy.world 55 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Firefox isn't an "alternative browser."

I didn't think Google would play the evil card, but don't trust the ad blocking abilities of software made by an advertising company, I guess.

[–] kubica@kbin.social 21 points 11 months ago (2 children)

What do you mean by not an alternative browser?
Are you trying to say something about the word choice or...?
Chrome is an alternative browser to Firefox too.

[–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 29 points 11 months ago (1 children)

yes, i think he is speaking about the word itself. it is terrible that it is gaining negative connotation... like when people say bullshit like "alternative facts" or "alternative medicine" and the word itself slowly starts to look slightly suspicious just because it is used by morons.

[–] odigo2020@lemmy.zip 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Jesus, I didn't even think of that being a reality now...

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[–] auf@lemmy.ml 17 points 11 months ago

It's not an alternative, it's the browser you should use

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 16 points 11 months ago

Of course it's the alternative. Has always been, even before it was called Firefox: Netscape Navigator is the alternative to Mosaic. Fun fact: Internet Explorer was a fork of Mosaic. All of Chrome, Edge and Safari are descendants of KHTML.

[–] nadram@lemmy.world 45 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

This website talking trash about Google ads 🤣

[–] SuperSpruce@lemmy.ml 29 points 11 months ago (1 children)

How is this even legal? So now suddenly every chromium extension has to go through a play store style review? How is Google entitled to do this on their competitor's browsers?

[–] b3nj@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They can do it if a competitor has forked Chromium but not bothered to provide their own addon store. For example, Edge supports its own store plus Google, Vivaldi only supports Google

[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

I switched to FireFox slightly before all this Adblock-Drama came up. Simply because i realised Chrome was getting ridiculously slow ._.

[–] Dizzirron@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Not hard to believe these rumors of super low morale within the industry are true.

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[–] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 24 points 11 months ago (3 children)

How is it still a problem for anyone? I haven't used Google in years and I am unexpectedly still alive

[–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

We have prescribed terminals in our classrooms that are wiped between classes and only have chrome included. It's a fuckin' pain to have to load uBlock in each class in each section every day, because for some reason, our uni's IT department only supports chrome.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 11 months ago

Are you able to access anything like USB drives? There are portable versions of Firefox you can carry around with you.

[–] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

only supports chrome

Nothing auspicious here! /s

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[–] Swarfega@lemm.ee 14 points 11 months ago (3 children)

What happened to the ad blocker detection thing a month ago. Did Google remove it or does uBlock Origin have a permanent workaround now rather than needing to clear cache and reload?

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 22 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

It's still an ongoing war, but with Manifest V3, Google will have an advantage over adblockers because they will be in full control over the frequency of extension updates, how many ad blocking rulesets they'll allow, and perhaps when no one is looking, prevents those rulesets from targeting their own domains. The latter is the nuclear option that'll instantly piss off the whole tech world if implemented now, but perhaps slow boiled frogs won't notice it once the heat is high enough.

[–] Tygr@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Setting up a huge privacy lawsuit by trying to force us to allow these horrendous advertising tracking scripts.

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[–] micka190@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

They regularly try to add things to break it, and uBlock's devs update it as fast as possible. They'll probably slow down on these breaking changes as it falls out of the spotlight and people slowly forget about it.

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[–] zwaetschgeraeuber@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

yea lucky enough i switched to firefox a year ago

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (14 children)

I'm wondering if Chromebooks can run Firefox? I'm guessing not. I know you can install adblockers on them. Not after mid-2024, I guess.

It really sucks that an affordable notebook computer means getting locked into an advertising system. You can get a Chromebook for under $100 and they have a very, very easy-to-use OS. They're great for poor people and elderly people.

So much for putting an adblocker on Grandma's computer now.

[–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 14 points 11 months ago

you can have refurbished thinkpad for the same price and you don't have to deal with some chrome-crap.

honestly, the fact that people have to be reminded there are alternatives to chrome is the most mindblowing fact from the article.

[–] WHYAREWEALLCAPS@kbin.social 14 points 11 months ago (6 children)

You can run the android version or use the Linux VM. Neither are great but are workable. Unless they've changed it recently, you can also dual boot them and run Linux off an external drive.

I'd honestly say skip the Chromebook, get an older used laptop that is known to be fully supported by Linux, install a lightweight distro, and off you go if all Grandma needs is a web browser. Older used laptops are usually far better powered than a cheap Chromebook for the same price anyways. Plus it fights e-waste.

A further option is to do adblocking at the router or through the computer's own networking system or something like a Pihole. These all come with their own pros and cons.

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[–] Vlyn@lemmy.zip 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If all you need is a cheap laptop, there's thousands of deals on refurbished or used ones. You don't need this year's model to browse the web and send email.

Throw Ubuntu or something on it and you can go even cheaper hardware wise.

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[–] Corgana@startrek.website 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

If she'd allow you, you could always put a little pihole ($10-20) on her network (with the bare minimum lists so that it doesn't break things too often). Wouldn't change anything about her computer.

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[–] appel@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago

I've installed the Android version of Firefox on my wife's Chromebook via the Google Play store. There's also a way to enable Linux within ChromeOS and install the more full fledged version of FF.

See: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/browsers/chromebook/

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