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The New York City police department plans to pilot the unmanned aircrafts in response to complaints about large gatherings, including private events, over Labor Day weekend, officials announced Thursday.

“If a caller states there’s a large crowd, a large party in a backyard, we’re going to be utilizing our assets to go up and go check on the party,” Kaz Daughtry, the assistant NYPD Commissioner, said at a press conference.

The plan drew immediate backlash from privacy and civil liberties advocates, raising questions about whether such drone use violated existing laws for police surveillance.

“It’s a troubling announcement and it flies in the face of the POST Act,” said Daniel Schwarz, a privacy and technology strategist at the New York Civil Liberties Union, referring to a 2020 city law that requires the NYPD to disclose its surveillance tactics. “Deploying drones in this way is a sci-fi inspired scenario.”

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[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 111 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is it illegal to have house parties in NYC? Why is the NYPD busting up keggers like campus police?

[–] downpunxx@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago (7 children)

It becomes illegal when there are too many people there, or there is violence, underage drinking, drug usage, and if it's too loud, the attendees are parking in the street blocking traffic, fire risks all sorts of shit

[–] uis@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

They are not responding to complains, they are searching themselves.

EDIT: my eyes. They are responding. Still very wierd. Crowd itself is not a crime, article 20 of DoHR says so.

[–] raptir@lemdro.id 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The article specifically says in response to complaints...

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[–] s38b35M5@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Those sound like things they need a warrant to learn about in a place with a reasonable expectation of privacy.

[–] Wookie@artemis.camp 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are they doing this in white, affluent communities?

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[–] Guy_Fieris_Hair@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is illegal to have to many people at your own home? That's a new one.

[–] Stoneykins@mander.xyz 10 points 1 year ago

Only in the context of like, fire safety. You can't have more people in a building than it is designed to safely hold.

Of course, cops use this safety regulation as an excuse to control people and be dicks...

[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So the cops and fuck with your backyard party if you smoke a joint?

[–] 3laws@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Joint? Nah, hard drugs, fo sho (unless you are a billionaire).

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

What a waste of time and resources.

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[–] jonne@infosec.pub 6 points 1 year ago

That's all stuff people can call the cops for, no need for surveillance.

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[–] geekworking@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This all seems stupid.

If you have a party big and crazy enough to justify airborne surveillance, the police will be able to figure it out just by showing up at your door. No drones are needed.

That being said, NYC has been flying helicopters for decades, so really nothing new privacy wise other than the size of the aircraft and the fact that "drone" invokes fears that drive clicks.

[–] Alto@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't forget scale. Significantly more practical to have a couple dozen drones than helicopters

[–] BrownianMotion@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They would not launch a helicopter to confirm a large scale party.

But even still, so they use a drone and they do confirm a large scale party, then what? They have to deploy the police to the house anyhow. Isn't better to have police just out patrolling and visiting these complaints? Then at least they look like they are doing something for the community.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 year ago

Drones can get closer without detection. Also there's a limit to helicopter use since they cause noise pollution.

[–] bigkix@lemm.ee 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm not from US - why is it forbidden to have a large group of people in the backyard?
As for the drones - just wow...

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

It's not forbidden. This is a huge overstep by the police but typical of American police, who are allowed to violate our civil rights with impunity.

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[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

we’re going to be utilizing our assets to go up and go check on the party

Still bitter that they were never invited to any parties in high school and college. Seriously though, they need to back the fuck up. We have an amendment that requires them to get a warrant to spy on us on our own property or in our own house. Civil liberties groups need to stop raising questions and sue the fuck out of the police, judges, Mayor, and legislature. I hope someone knocks those drones out of the air. This kind of shit is infuriating. And no this isn't a sci-fi scenario, this is a clear and present dystopia.

[–] Kodemystic@lemmy.kodemystic.dev 29 points 1 year ago

Reading comments defending cops for launching drones to surveill people in their homes really boosts my morning faith in humanity.

[–] lustrum@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Sorry what's the problem with a party?

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[–] hellfire103@sopuli.xyz 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

For people wanting to take down drones, I think a directed energy weapon would work. It uses a beam high frequency radio waves or microwaves to disable electronics. Since there's no projectile, it would be easier to use without getting caught.

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[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

what a crazy abuse of power and resources fuck the police

[–] hellfire103@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

There's a book I think everyone should read, and it's not Nineteen Eighty-Four.

Little Brother by Cory Doctorow

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[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

Land of the not even slightly free.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

Remember when bill of rights?

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Easy fix. Take a picture of the ground, using a drone. Then get a big marquee and have that picture painted on the marquee.

Your party is now invisible.

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[–] Smacks@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Is it illegal to blind drone cameras with lasers yet?

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 year ago

They'll try destruction of property charges

[–] Stoneykins@mander.xyz 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I wouldn't risk life in prison to find out, they might just call the drone a helicopter to arrest you

Edit: To be clear, fuck the police and their spy toys. I just don't wanna get caught doing something that will ruin my life, and I hope it doesn't happen to anyone else.

[–] obious@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Yes, the FAA treats it as a serious violation.

[–] Maajmaaj@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

someone should manufacture net launchers for cheaper than $1,000 on average.

[–] pensa@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

I think the probability of the cops catching you using a net launcher is too high.

I think a diy directional emp would be a better choice. https://techlinkcenter.org/news/heres-the-armys-now-patented-emp-rifle-attachment-for-taking-out-small-drones#!

For the more technically inclined, I would imagine something like a software defined radio with a powerful transmitter could take control of the drone and go park it in the Hudson.

I'm pretty sure any of these options are highly illegal. So this is just for informational purposes only. :)

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[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Use your own drone to say hi...

[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Seems a great use of an anti drone gun

[–] Zima@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

i hope they can be dazzled/jammed in a way that is not illegal. just have bright lamps pointing up or something

[–] yeather@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Or slingshot it, then claim you thought it was a perv and not a cop drone because they have no discernable markings from so far up.

[–] Chozo@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Just FYI, interfering with any drone, even a hobbyist drone flown by a perv spying on you, is a VERY serious crime. The FAA doesn't fuck around with that, because drones are considered aircraft under their jurisdiction. They'll go after you as hard as they would if you took down a fully-occupied 747.

More often than not, you'll get in worse trouble for interfering with a drone than the pilot will for whatever crimes they may be committing with it. It's not worth it. Your best bet is to just report it and go inside.

[–] aircooledJenkins@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Any drone of any size? Or only the larger ones that require license to operate?

[–] Maximilious@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Based on the amount of Ukraine drone strike videos I've seen, these things are near unnoticeable as high up as they are.

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