Just my tin-foil hat opinion, but if anyone thinks the US is not heading towards a surveillance State on par with China, then I have a bridge to sell you.
this post was submitted on 09 Aug 2023
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I'm guessing virtually every government in the world is surveilling and collecting data on as many people as they can. I don't think that's tinfoil at all but actually a part of the job of modern intelligence. The only (sorta) counterbalance citizens have is the concept of citizen's rights (including privacy), which may legally barely exist (if at all) in other countries.
I don’t think that’s a tin-foil hat opinion.
Of course they are.
A pertinent point that Solzhenitsyn made in Gulag Archipelago - he said that in all the time he spent in the gulags, he never once met a person who had not been legitimately convicted of a genuine crime.
The way it worked was simply that the USSR had such an extensive and nebulous set of laws that it was effectively impossible for anyone to obey all of them all the time, and so much information on all its citizens that whenever an official wanted someone disappeared, it was just a matter of checking through their records and finding which law(s) they had broken, then arresting them, trying them and convicting them.
The US oligarchy is actively pursuing the same basic strategy, and for the same basic reasons.
It's already extremely easy for LE to drum up basically whatever charge and stick it to you, for the majority of citizens with no funds for a lawyer.
We've already got the plate scanners. Everytime I drive by one, my file pops as a red flag and a stop is more than likely, just to "check in" with me, usually with some false pretense like "i thought your window was cracked, my bad, but where you going tonight?" I'm not technically on paper, but I am treated as such. Easy arrest potential with some bs probable cause.
The fact that it will continue to go further doesn't surprise me. Makes the job even easier for them. If you aren't a good consumer, you will be prosecuted.
It’s the modern day equivalent of “you’re not from around here.”
Fwiw, this article is from June, but it did not receive enough attention, so I'm glad it's coming back
This, and climate change, will define this era. Surveillance makes fascism so much easier.
100% the only difference is surveillance hides in the shadows and it's easy for people to not see the effects, whereas the effects of climate change cannot be hidden. So surveillance feels way more nefarious, and climate change feels more honest about the pain is going to inflict on us
The title is lierally how the Soviet Union operated and how the CCP operates today
It’s literally about the United States. Stay focused.
Authoritarian governments the both of them
Yes, but this is specifically about U.S.
Authoritarian governments the both of them
What about whataboutism?
What about authoritarian governments, the both of them?
The hilarious part (in a bleak fashion), is I can't find many other articles discussing this.
Then everyone will panic and go crazy when someone like Trump wins and they have access to all this. History repeats.
I can’t find many other articles discussing this.
We've known they've been doing this since at least Snowden, what's the story?
Remember that government agency that hoovers up all our data? Yeah, they're still doing that. Only they don't have to try as hard because they can just buy our info instead of snooping for it (but they're also still snooping).
Maybe it's good to remind people it's still happening because apparently everyone forgot we were told they've been doing this, for a while.
What really blows my mind are the people who attack Snowden while claiming this mass data collection is perfectly fine.
I love the "If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide..."
I usually respond to those folks with "Can I watch you fuck your spouse? You're not doing anything wrong, they're your spouse, so you shouldn't have anything to hide"
The crazy part is, I've gotten a few enthusiastic "Yes" responses to that...
Nobody forgot. We all depend on the internet for daily life and livelihoods. We are largely powerless against these faceless institutions
Not that I disagree with you, but I was more responding to the fact that they said they can't find anybody else reporting about it. I was saying that there's not much to report because this is kind of old news. I understand why more news agencies aren't picking up on this, like, government agencies known for sucking up data are still sucking up data. -shrug-
I don't disagree, and you're absolutely right, but i'd argue there's still a difference between a government organization collecting the data themselves, and the same organization buying it from other brokers. It's semantics sure, but it's a new dimension of this fucketry.
Fair enough.
Yes and no - prism and related programs weren't that big a deal (besides morally and legally) - the NSA was collecting far more data than they could use at scale. It was a problem, but realistically it wouldn't affect normal people - you'd have to catch a lot of attention first to even be searched in that system. It couldn't be used for law enforcement or anything wide scale - the collection was there, but the analysis didn't scale
It was a problem because of where we are now - AI advancement means not only can they now process the insane amount of data they ingest and make terrifying associations, they can use the ridiculous amount of compute they've been building out to actually use all this data
We're most of the way down the slippery slope now, and still accelerating fast. The capability makes 1984 look quaint, and having the ability to flick on systems China drools over is pretty concerning
People don't even know they're trying to make us use id to use sites "to protect the children". Any site that might be inappropriate (of which, social media fits under the current definitions of) would be responsible for children getting access to their services - storing driver's licenses seems to be the popular idea for compliance. Google's web DRM might be pushed out so fast to offer this kind of service too
Kosa has bipartisan support, the president has come out strongly supporting it, and it's insane to me that people still don't care
We've known they've been doing this since at least Snowden, what's the story?
They've been doing this since the 1950s, younger generations just didn't realize the scope until Snowden.
Yeah, that's why I said "at least" because I'm sure there's earlier examples but that was the largest recent example.
Yes and no - prism and related programs weren't that big a deal (besides morally and legally) - the NSA was collecting far more data than they could use at scale. It was a problem, but realistically it wouldn't affect normal people - you'd have to catch a lot of attention first to even be searched in that system. It couldn't be used for law enforcement or anything wide scale - the collection was there, but the analysis didn't scale
It was a problem because of where we are now - AI advancement means not only can they now process the insane amount of data they ingest and make terrifying associations, they can use the ridiculous amount of compute they've been building out to actually use all this data
We're most of the way down the slippery slope now, and still accelerating fast. The capability makes 1984 look quaint, and having the ability to flick on systems China drools over is pretty concerning
People don't even know they're trying to make us use id to use sites "to protect the children". Any site that might be inappropriate (of which, social media fits under the current definitions of) would be responsible for children getting access to their services - storing driver's licenses seems to be the popular idea for compliance. Google's web DRM might be pushed out so fast to offer this kind of service too
Kosa has bipartisan support, the president has come out strongly supporting it, and it's insane to me that people still don't care
Just China things.
Hold up
Jokes on them, I'll be dead some day soon.
Lol i am.not concerned at all because whoever doesn't know about "5 eyes" should go and read about it so its just not the US.
You're not concerned because everyone does it?
That doesn't seem like sound logic to me.
I understand where you coming from but as a regular doing 9-5 , I can't change anything until and unless every regular push for a change so I've accepted it.
This reply is far more logical than your original comment.
Laughing about oppression is sillier than just accepting it.
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they're going to feed it to their agi