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Safe Streets Rebel's protest comes after automatic vehicles were blamed for incidents including crashing into a bus and running over a dog. City officials in June said...

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[–] donalonzo@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (11 children)

That's one way of strawmanning your way out of a discussion.

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

It's not a strawman argument, it is a fact. Without the ability to audit the entire codebase of self-driving cars, there's no way to know if the manufacturer had knowingly hidden something in the code that might have caused accidents and fatalities too numerous to recount, but too important to ignore, that were linked to a fault in self-driving technology.

I was actually trying to find an article I'd read about Tesla's self-driving software reverting to manual control moments before impact, but I was literally flooded by fatality reports.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

We can't audit the code for humans, but we still let them drive.

If the output for computers driving is less than for humans and the computer designers are forced to be as financially liable for car crashes as humans, why shouldn't we let computers drive?

[–] Shayreelz@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm not fully in either camp in this debate, but fwiw, the humans we let drive generally suffer consequences if there is an accident due to their own negligence

[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 year ago

Also we do audit them, it's called a license. I know it's super easy to get one in the US but in other countries they can be quite stringent.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club -5 points 1 year ago

And I'm not denying it. However, it takes a very high bar to get someone convicted of vehicular manslaughter and that usually requires evidence that the driver was grossly negligent.

If you can show that a computer can drive as well as a sober human, where is the gross negligence?

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