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[–] Dasus@lemmy.world -2 points 3 days ago (14 children)

I don't shop for online, like shoes and pizzas

How do you shop for pizza not-online? Bro still going with pizzas brochures? Respect bro. If you top that off ny ordering by landline, it'd be perfect.

But yeah I had similar thoughts on Honey, never installed and now I think I definitely won't. Thx 4 i Lemmy

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 3 points 3 days ago (13 children)

Why would you need to order pizza online? Not everyone wants to pay fees for the "convenience" of paying more for the food and having to type in my credit card info myself. You call them up, you get a better price, and you pay when you get there.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world -1 points 3 days ago (12 children)

Why would you need to ordering pizza, period?

Food ordering apps aren't convenient as fuck and I dare you to argued against that.

If you live in a bigger city and have trusty restaurant's with trusty service, yeah, call em. I do for two of my trusty places, but theyre rather far and expensive from where I now live. And the places around here change like everyone year or two. So yeah.

Most people use apps.

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Food ordering apps aren't convenient as fuck

I agree. Nothing convenient about overpaying to entrust your food to underpaid, unvetted delivery workers

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world -2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

God I hate this new phone the screen is just the tiniest bit too small and I keep hitting the left most suggestion instead of the middle one, turning ares into aren'ts and woulds into wouldn'ts.

I'm sure you know what I meant.

Pretending they aren't massively popular exactly because they make the whole thing easier and more comfortable (browsing menus you know are up to date, being able to specify allergies as much as you want, etc) would be incredibly naive.

Is capitalism using it aa a possibility to exploit even more? Yes. Does that suck balls? Yes. But does is the tech itself shit? No.

Capitalism enshittifies everything. Automation isn't cursed at because the current economic system mean that the working classes will get less, and that is a bad thing. The technology isn't. So the tech isn't the issue. Capitalism is.

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I use them only when it's free (ie someone else is paying for it). I hate them so much. They are not more convenient, they increase the price by 100% and they actively hurt people and small businesses.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago

Theyre ripoffs especially in the US.

But the popularity of the tech, despite the enshittification They still are popular.

But the underlying tech is good and convenient.

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

browsing menus you know are up to date

A quick web search shows plenty of anecdotes to the contrary.

being able to specify allergies as much as you want

And you trust that?? If I had a serious food allergy I would absolutely NOT trust that a food delivery service would communicate those effectively given how much they push restaurants around, up to and including adding restaurants without their knowledge or consent.

I suppose in the strictest sense, sure, these apps are convenient, but you sure are paying a lot for it, and some restaurants charge extra for it on top of the fees, and the delivery folks aren't getting a fair cut of the fees. Most of the fees go to big tech.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You're literally arguing that a billion dollar industry isn't actually a popular service.

If it's so much better and more convenient to order by phone, why does almost no-one do it anymore?

And you trust that?? I

I live in Finland, qe have very strict food regulations, but no, I don't completely trust it. But for well rated high quality restaurants, yeah, mostly.

d, up to and including adding restaurants without their knowledge or consent.

Again this is nothing to do with the tech and that isn't happening country. What youre against is shit business practice, exploitation and abusing new tech.

Now without too much into any sort of politics, a lot of restaurants are immigrant run, and especially here in Finland, there is a language barrier. And it doesn't help that most Finns are asshat racists so people feel even less comfortable asking if they got something wrong.

I used to order on the phone all the time as I was doing it before these apps ever came along. So many fucker orders.

I do oppose the abuse and exploitation that poorly regulated food service apps enable, but I'm not against the actual tech.

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Their business model isn't necessarily functional

Start here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aFsfJYWpqII

Obviously if you say "just ignore shitty businesses and practices, the fundamental idea of being able to order from an app is great"...well, sure. I'm not arguing about the idea of apps. I'm arguing about the current status quo.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I have never once said "ignore the shitty business practices".

I'm saying the underlying tech will remain, and that it is good. That episode was bad. I've seen it. But let me tell you, the working condition of the people here in the Nordic are somewhat different. The companies are still shit heads and there are problems but thrive already won the right for the rights of employees, instead of being contractors.

I. Like you. Am against bad business practice and exploitation. Not against tech when it can be used for good.

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What about the technology that runs food delivery services do you find so compelling? I don't see what's so special about any of it.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Were you old enough to order food before apps?

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 1 points 1 day ago

My first job was washing dishes in a restaurant half a decade before the iPhone released, so yes

I believe Pizza Hut had online ordering at the time, but via their website amd the drivers probably all worked directly for the individual Pizza Huts

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 1 points 2 days ago

Still can some places, but generally it came down to keeping a drawer of menus for restaurants you like, family looks at the menu, call up the restaurant, and they deliver for a fixed known fee (or more often free, above a normal order threshold of maybe $20 which would be $30-40 today). It would come directly from the restaurant, no petulant third party complaining about whether or not you tipped enough ahead of time of service to be worth treating you and your property with respect (ie nobody would eat your food if they didn't like you).

It really was a fine state. I now appreciate that some places let you order online and then just pay normal prices when you pick it up. Great too. The centralized nature of door dash and GrubHub are a pain in the ass. First I have to poke through all of the adverts for McDonald's and subway, then I have to figure out which restaurants are ripping me off with their online prices, deal with guessing which things have extra fees and which things have "waived" fees, use the mediocre UI that still friends on restaurants to do the hard work of adding pictured and sane descriptions (they usually don't), and then guess how much tip will get my food delivered while it's still warm by the "independent contractor" assigned my case. More middlemen means more people trying to sap you dry.

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