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There are definitely more vegans on lemmy but given they are frequently targeted with harassment and trolling I doubt all of them are willing to expose themselves to such behavior.
I'm happy lemmy is flexible enough to offer spaces for all of us, assholes be damned. Thanks for offering places for people to feel comfortable!
Contrary point of view here. I'm not vegan, not even vegetarian, but reduced my animal produce consumption a lot (not that I consumed much anyway) and am always looking for further alternatives that are possible within my personal circumstances. However, what I've seen on Lemmy (and other social media, such as Reddit) regarding vegans, was highly militant and toxic people who spew nonsense and hostility towards anyone who is not vegan. Generally what you'd describe as veganazi or whatever. Seeing things like that definitely does not cause me wanting to join or even lurk such communities and is really just confirming the stereotypes being shared by certain trolls.
Joining a vegan community exposes you to toxic trolls that are hostile to the very idea of veganism aka carnists. Their comments are eventually removed at least. Calling things you do not like Nazis is extremely poor taste. Nazis killed an estimated 17 million people. This is very serious. You are comparing Nazis to vegans who just want animals to stop dying for human consumption. More than 80 billion land animals are slaughtered for meat every year worldwide. You may not value an animal as equal to a human life, but you must admit this is messed up.
I'm not directly comparing Nazis to vegans and you clearly not even attempting to differentiate between militant vegans and sane vegans kinda proves my point. There's no nuance, it's all a black and white "if you're not one of us, you're against us" type of mentality. If animal welfare is that important to you, then you'd at least attempt to communicate with others in a reasonable fashion instead of either trying to convert them to some sort of cult mentality or shunning them if they aren't able or willing to do so.
You literally called the vegans in lemmy communities "veganazis" and I'm not going to let that slide, it is not ok.
No it does not prove your point, I did not address "militant" vegans and "sane" vegans because I think your thoughts on this are reactionary bullshit. I don't think you've even been in the vegan lemmy communities, because vegans are actual people with different views and you only want to talk about a stereotype carnists use to whine. You want nuance but don't give it to vegans. Why? I mean you're either a troll or misguided.
I have a non-vegan/carnist SO, I'm not the only one that dates non-vegans. My family is non-vegan. My friends in RL are all non-vegan. You apparently know all about my life even though I have never tried to convert people into a "cult" or shunned people for not being vegan. I have only talked about veganism when it is prompted, like when people were curious why I decided to switch or online when the subject comes up. Different vegans have different approaches to things. Some vegans only date other vegans, after the bullshit I've gone through with my non-vegan/carnist SO I can see why.
I felt you leaned reactionary due to your take on veganism but replied anyway in good faith because your use of the word Nazi was unacceptable. Why is it a cult to not eat meat? Why am I the Nazi for wanting the animals to stop dying? The answer to me is that people who eat meat can get incredibly defensive when you point out that it is messed up what happens to animals so that they can eat meat from the grocery store. It is bad for the environment too. In order to deflect from this revelation they decide their behavior is not the problem, it is the "militant" vegans in a "cult" thinking they are better than everyone that is the problem. This is all reactionary thinking. I've only seen this reaction online and once in person. I would love for everyone to be a vegan but I know it is not realistic. It is not a matter of how vegans communicate, it is how people process their justification for eating meat. You can be as sweet as possible about being vegan and a carnist will still spit in your face. They don't want to hear about veganism, they frankly don't give a shit about animals no matter how you deliver the message to them.
Well said! Thank you for being vegan and standing up for what’s right!
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Veganazi
Again, thanks for proving my point. Bye.
You do realize urban dictionary is rife with sexist and racist terms on it? Jesus Christ. At least try to troll better. You clearly came here to push an agenda that failed miserably.
Someone forgot their clown shoes
Pretty poor response using that biased definition.
You’re too weak to be vegan.
Now you’re gaslighting the person responding to your comment, that’s very bad faith troll behaviour.