So, not much is changing then but you assumed history can only move forward. We’ve reached a point where this belief is pretty much a modern secular religion - nobody guaranteed it would be so. This religion even has prophets like Francis Fukuyama who I blame for popularising it.

It’s likely we will be set back again many times and there’s no guarantee that the end result will be satisfying. The best thing we can do for now is to figure out why those things happen in the first place without attributing blame. The future needs to include everyone, even the bigots. My guess most of the bigots wouldn’t be bigots if they had higher participation in profits that our societies generate. This is because politicians funnel those into the pockets of various oligarchs. Neither Republicans or Dems will fix that unfortunately.

[–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Bigots are created from fear and tribalism. The oligarches love useing those innate fears and stoke the fire shifting the blame from them to the "others". They convince people they once day can be an "elite" too if they try hard enough, but its the "others" that holds them down.

How does one go about convincing people their problems start from the top? That people like trump is the very essence of their problem? Obviously dems only fight to maintain a status quo and i can understand why people dont turn to them. I can see how trump won in 2016. But after 4 years of a do nothing adminstration, things getting worse... and him quadruple down on his rethorics... how can anyone not see the obvious that he has nothing good to offer.

[–] misk@sopuli.xyz 0 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It’s good that you recognise tribalism as a core issue although you need to acknowledge that you can be victim of that too. You’re trying to start from the top because that looks like it’s have biggest impact but the actual change needs to start at the bottom. This is something we can do but it’ll be much more work than waiting for someone to do that for us. I realise that all of us are so used to slacktivism by now that it sounds like an insurmountable task but there’s no other way. First step is to stop contributing to the problem so here I am trying to explain why current approach won’t work.

[–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You’re trying to start from the top because that looks like it’s have biggest impact but the actual change needs to start at the bottom

No... i said the top is convincing the bottom that they arent the problem and create divisions within the same classes; so the bottom fights amoung themselves. How is one to convince people they are fighting themselves and they need to focus their enegry at the real problem? Its difficult to have a rational conversation when when many stomp their feet refusing to belive the truth and rather prefer commiting crimes against humanity than addressing the real problems.

[–] misk@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 days ago

That feet stomping and refusing to acknowledge reality is a symptom, not the root issue. People don’t feel like they have a real choice so as a response to this overwhelming world they start to treat it like a football match. You support your team no matter what, right?