I feel like we need to talk about Lemmy's massive tankie censorship problem. A lot of popular lemmy communities are hosted on lemmy.ml. It's been well known for a while that the admins/mods of that instance have, let's say, rather extremist and onesided political views. In short, they're what's colloquially referred to as tankies. This wouldn't be much of an issue if they didn't regularly abuse their admin/mod status to censor and silence people who dissent with their political beliefs and for example, post things critical of China, Russia, the USSR, socialism, ...

As an example, there was a thread today about the anniversary of the Tiananmen Massacre. When I was reading it, there were mostly posts critical of China in the thread and some whataboutist/denialist replies critical of the USA and the west. In terms of votes, the posts critical of China were definitely getting the most support.

I posted a comment in this thread linking to "https://archive.ph/2020.07.12-074312/https://imgur.com/a/AIIbbPs" (WARNING: graphical content), which describes aspects of the atrocities that aren't widely known even in the West, and supporting evidence. My comment was promptly removed for violating the "Be nice and civil" rule. When I looked back at the thread, I noticed that all posts critical of China had been removed while the whataboutist and denialist comments were left in place.

This is what the modlog of the instance looks like:

Definitely a trend there wouldn't you say?

When I called them out on their one sided censorship, with a screenshot of the modlog above, I promptly received a community ban on all communities on lemmy.ml that I had ever participated in.

Proof:

So many of you will now probably think something like: "So what, it's the fediverse, you can use another instance."

The problem with this reasoning is that many of the popular communities are actually on lemmy.ml, and they're not so easy to replace. I mean, in terms of content and engagement lemmy is already a pretty small place as it is. So it's rather pointless sitting for example in /c/linux@some.random.other.instance.world where there's nobody to discuss anything with.

I'm not sure if there's a solution here, but I'd like to urge people to avoid lemmy.ml hosted communities in favor of communities on more reasonable instances.

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[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 3 weeks ago (37 children)

Eh, I disagree. Left isn't "when good," right isn't "when bad." There are bad leftists, and you're looking at them, right there on .ml, grad, and hexbear. These morons actually believe not only that "those states would have dissolved themselves given the opportunity if it wasn't for 'western interference,'" they also have such hubris to believe that if they tried the same thing they'd actually achieve what none of them did in the past. They can't grasp that their autocrats would never cede power either to usher in Communist Utopia™.

[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (36 children)

It's worth noting that when a Marxist says "stateless," they don't mean "governmentless." The Marxist theory of the state surrounds classes, while the Anarchist theory of the state surrounds hierarchy.

When an Anarchist says they want a stateless society, they envision a complex web of horizontal communes, networks of mutual aid, like a spiderweb.

When a Marxist says they want a stateless society, they envision a world Socialist republic that has managed to fully absorb all private property into the public sector, which no AES state has managed to accomplish thus far.

The idea that Marxists are advocating Socialist states to dissolve into Anarchism is wrong, nobody claims that. What Marxists claim is that their notion of the state will wither away, leaving a classless government.

That's also why Marxists are anti-Utopian, they don't advocate for Communism about a belief in its moral superiority, but because Capitalism naturally creates the conditions for it through free competition giving way to consolidation and monopolist syndicates, which can be siezed, publicly owned, and centrally planned.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 3 weeks ago (33 children)

Actually users on .ml, hexbear, and thank god I'm able to avoid grad but probably them too, claim exactly that all the time. Might want to teach your own commerades instead of me, комиссар.

[–] kuato@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What exactly is the “that” that they claim all the time?

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Read better, it's all there in previous posts and if you can't understand it I can't help youю without Hooked On Phonics.

[–] kuato@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Uh-huh. I think this defense-by-belittlement speaks for itself.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Uh huh, I literally already typed it out, you want me to copy and paste it for you? Fine jfc.

These morons actually believe not only that "those states would have dissolved themselves given the opportunity if it wasn't for 'western interference,'" they also have such hubris to believe that if they tried the same thing they'd actually achieve what none of them did in the past. They can't grasp that their autocrats would never cede power either to usher in Communist Utopia™.

The idea that Marxists are advocating Socialist states to dissolve into Anarchism is wrong, nobody claims that.

There. It was like three comments up, why did I have to hold your hand? Do you read the context before you ask what "that" means or do you not even bother?

[–] kuato@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think @Cowbee@lemmy.ml already covered these, or at least some.

By state, communists mean a system that enforces the will of one class over the others. A stateless society is a synonym for a classless society. It doesn’t mean there’s no government.
No socialist state has achieved communism in the past because it is necessarily a long-term project. You can’t simply go to bed one night in a capitalist state and wake up the next in a classless society. Certainly none will achieve it while imperialist states are still working to deny it. They are in a stage of siege socialism.
“Autocrats.” That’s not how democratic centralism works; that’s how Western capitalist propaganda tells us it works. From a declassified 1955 CIA report:

Even in Stalin’s time there was collective leadership. The Western idea of a dictator within the Communist setup is exaggerated. Misunderstandings on that subject are caused by lack of comprehension of the real nature and organization of the Communist power structure. Stalin, although holding wide powers, was merely the captain of a team and it seems obvious that Khrushchev will be the new captain.
No communist worth their salt ever talks about any sort of utopia. Marxists are materialists, not idealists. This is basic stuff.

Engels, 1880, Socialism: Utopian and Scientific
Lenin, 1920, “Left-wing” communism, an infantile disorder

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes yes, again tell tour друзья, not me дебил.

[–] kuato@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

“Everyone I disagree with is a bot.”

Michael Parenti

The pure socialists’ ideological anticipations remain untainted by existing practice. They do not explain how the manifold functions of a revolutionary society would be organized, how external attack and internal sabotage would be thwarted, how bureaucracy would be avoided, scarce resources allocated, policy differences settled, priorities set, and production and distribution conducted. Instead, they offer vague statements about how the workers themselves will directly own and control the means of production and will arrive at their own solutions through creative struggle. No surprise then that the pure socialists support every revolution except the ones that succeed.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 3 weeks ago

Lol дебил doesn't mean bot.

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