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[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 4 weeks ago (18 children)

The reason why people aren't having kids anymore isn't because of abortion, its because: wages are decreasing (accounting for inflation), the cost of living is skyrocketing (yes even accounting for inflation), the cost of owning a home is now far too much for young people, people are working longer and more stressful hours in worse jobs for worse bosses, public areas have been destroyed leading to less in person interaction, online dating is toxic, the internet has given people heightened expectations, an unresolved mental health crisis, and people are finally becoming responsible enough to understand that you shouldn't have kids you cant afford.

[–] stinerman@midwest.social 15 points 4 weeks ago (9 children)

online dating is toxic

I've read some good evidence is that this is because women, especially zoomer and millennial women, are considerably more liberal than the men in their peer group. Historically, women have always been more liberal than men, but the difference between them has gotten extreme in the last 10 years. Being a Trump supporter is a deal-breaker for many single women.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

That's completely reasonable, why would a women date a man who thinks that she doesn't own her own body (not all but a significant amount of Trump supporters believe that). In addition women are more liberal because primarily their rights have and are being threatened by Trump, furthermore women are more likely to be sympathetic to other minorities who may loose their rights as well. On top of that young conservative men are very often completely delusional in terms of dating expectations. Many of them demand an extremely young person (18-20), demand they be stay at home, demand many children, while not having a job capable of upholding such a lifestyle because they cannot accept that the world we live in is not the same one our grandparents lived in. In addition young conservatives (especially young Trump supporters) tend to have completely unreasonable demands and expectations due to them being terminally online and a very poor understanding of women.

[–] Maeve@midwest.social 7 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

It's even worse than that. They want women to work full time, keep all the housework done, assume all the work with the child after work, while cooking dinner, washing up, stay looking fantastic, never complain and oh, mow the lawn while I'm playing golf/bball/football on Saturday, and don't forget Suzie has ballet on Wednesday, Bobby has detention on Friday, and football practice on Saturday.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Not so sure about that. Isn't Vance advocating for women to strive to be stay at home moms. So you can cut the full time job from that list. His comments about staying in the kitchen would also rule out the lawn and driving anywhere. I think he just wants women to stay home and be there for when their husband wants to see them, and only leave the house when he wants to bring her somewhere.

[–] Maeve@midwest.social 3 points 4 weeks ago

Probably. I just meant that's the mindset of certain men in our area. Certain meaning if they want the trad wife but realize a single income isn't enough. Or whatever else is convenient, I guess. I'm just going by those I've known in a concentrated region, not all men are like that and I'm so glad!

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I dont get men tbh, or Trump supporters. Im too Transfem to understand them :3

[–] nomous@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago

I don't understand women or Trump supporters so we have something in common.

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