I know that the hold that Israel (and the military industrial complex) has on both major political parties is money, Money, MONEY. But there has got to be a breaking point. I thought the breaking point would be the indiscriminate slaughter of innocent children, but alas.

I mean, I will still vote for Harris, because I’m not stupid. I know the alternative is far worse. But I’d rather not have innocent blood on my hands after I fill out that ballot.

[–] regul@lemm.ee 40 points 1 month ago (52 children)

If you (or anyone else) will never change your vote about it, why would they adjust their position?

You've given them no downside to continuing to support genocide other than the weight of thousands of innocent dead on their consciences. It should be fairly obvious how much that affects them.

[–] ski11erboi@lemm.ee 24 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Unfortunately, there is a downside to allowing Trump to win. It's the trolly problem and yes I will help pull the lever that kills people to keep even more people from dying.

[–] stink@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 1 month ago (2 children)

They will never negotiate with you, even on genocide, if you vote for them 24/7. Where is the red line?

It took Ronald Reagan one phone call to get them to stop bombing Lebanon.

Margaret Thatcher put a 10-year long arms embargo on them in the 80s.

Modern democrats are worse than Republicans from the 70s.

This can be shown with Biden's draconian crime bill.

his full involvement in the "war on terror".

Kamala ignoring the Supreme Court's decision on releasing nonviolent prisoners after overcrowding, as they were being used for slave labor.

The Marginal tax rate being lower TODAY than it was after Reagan passed his tax cuts.

They will never move to be more progressive if progressives still vote for them.

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago

Modern democrats are worse than Republicans from the 70s.

Today's lesser evil was the greater evil yesterday.

[+] ski11erboi@lemm.ee -12 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I'm gonna assume your argument is is good faith. You're absolutely correct about all of it. It fucking sucks. But the other side is the the same if not even worse. The reality is that right now the choice is between Harris and Trump. One of those two options will be leading the US next year. Not voting for Harris means Trump will be the leader.

If you want to convince people to stop voting for Harris you need to argue why Trump leading the US next year is a better outcome for Palestine. I haven't been able to find a reason.

[–] regul@lemm.ee 20 points 1 month ago

The argument is that continuing to reward genocidal behavior will never result in the party going left to get your vote. You're demonstrating that they can literally missile strike babies and you'll still vote for them. They don't need to do anything to cater to you at all, but hey maybe they'll throw a bone to your racist uncle and maybe he'll vote for them instead of the ghoul the GOP runs 4 years from now.

Why ever give anything to the left when "look at the other side" always gets you to fall in line? You've completely taken yourself off the board, politically.

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Haven't you figured out by now, Democrats will always have a Trump?

[–] Tangentism@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago

Instead of "reds under the bed", it's "there's a bogeyman at the door"

[–] coolusername@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago

is this a fed post because it's literally the state department narrative

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Democrats already started the second genocide in Lebanon.

And soon a war with Iran.

All the "greater evils" of Trump will have been fulfilled by democrats before Trump even become president

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That is a total lie. That's a very small segment of what Trump would do, and Trump wants to accelerate that too. He also holds a lot of anti-trans positions and anti-woman positions.

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Don't forget that Trump has pretty much promised to import the genocide home. It might not start off with people being gunned down in the street, but it's definitely going to make life hard-to-impossible for immigrants, LGBTQIA+ people, and everyone who's not a straight white man.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

That's just the evil abroad. Trump welcomes evil right here at home.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

Then it's not a single lever pull - it's a sum of lever pulls over a long time period.

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