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[–] SatyrSack@lemmy.one 18 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Are any of those things that you actually deal with as a beginner, though? Sure, those add complexities, but by the time you start to get into them, you are probably no longer a beginner.

[–] MashedTech@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Of course... But the idea is that it is misleading... And there's more traps the beginners falls into. I have a feeling if beginners begin with C++, or other language that is strongly typed and requires memory management and then do some other language that is more abstract like python; they will become better programmers compared to them doing it in reverse.

[–] xpinchx@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Yeah but fuck all that python is good enough for most beginners. Variables, scope, loops, functions, operators... Once you get some of the principles down switching to C++ or similar isn't nearly as bad.

Being a person that tried to learn C/C# from scratch in my early days python was a good gateway language.

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

For someone starting out, I would say that a major advantage of Python over any compiled language is that you can just create a file and start writing/running code. With C++ (which I'm also a heavy user of) you need to get over the hurdle of setting up a build system, which is simple enough when you know it, but can quickly be a high bar for an absolute beginner. That's before you start looking at things like including/linking other libraries, which in Python is done with a simple import, but where you have to set up your build system properly to get things working in C++.

Honestly, I'm still kind of confused that the beginner course at my old university still insists on giving out a pre-written makefile and vscode config files for everyone instead of spending the first week just showing people how to actually write and compile hello world using cmake. I remember my major hurdle when leaving that course was that I knew how to write basic C++, I just had no idea how to compile and link it when I could no longer use the makefile that we were explicitly told to never touch...

[–] SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago

100 times this.

I think I have a solid grasp of C++ and its manual memory management, but give me a build error and I'll have zero clue how to fix it.

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