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Trump isn’t an icon of positive masculinity. He also did very little for young men during his four years as president

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[–] DancingBear@midwest.social -3 points 1 week ago (23 children)

Feminism has done a great job of bringing woman and girl issues of importance into the public dialogue.

Men and boys have definitely been left in the dust.

Until we have a movement that represents men’s issues similar to feminism, this trend of men falling off the deep end will continue.

It can be argued that feminism is part of the problem, and has exacerbated many of the problems facing young men today. This is the entrance to the rabbit hole, and again, until we have a movement that represents men and boys similar to a feminism that just means equality and or equity, this trend will continue.

[–] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

Feminism does represent men's issues, more than any other movement I would argue, and definitely more than any MRA ever has, it just doesn't centre men's issues, which is what you are used to, so you reject it because, for a change, something is entirely cantered around you.

You don't care about equity and equality (which is what feminism is for), you care about maintaining your privilege which entitles you to everything in society being first and foremost aimed at and cantered around you. It's the small token the patriarchy rewards you with to ensure you never join the fight against it as it fucks you up with shit like toxic masculinity and blames it all on feminism, and it's obviously working.

[–] revelrous@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sigh. There was a moment when I first joined lemmy that I was impressed how liberal of a space it was. And then I wandered into the comments of posts concerning gender. Fuucking depressing. Really, people would benefit from a gender studies class, or even anthropology or family and society, but for some everything is an attack and I doubt they'll listen.

[–] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

Yeah, it's almost fascinating to see how some people are able to confront some of how the systems we live under oppress and marginalise parts of society, but not if they happen to benefit from a particular system, in which case they will always prioritise their own interests, because, like you say, they've never learned any better (in fact, are actively taught the opposite deliberately to ensure the divide remains).

I generally don't even bother replying to people like this anymore and just block, but this was so blatant I couldn't help myself lol, it really brought to mind a couple of points others have already summed up better than I can:

ID: "When men imagine a female uprising, they imagine a world in which women rule men as men have ruled women." -Sally Kempton.I feel this is very important.It's been apparent to me for a while that most men can't really imagine "equality." All they can imagine is having the existing power structure inverted.I cannot decide whether this shows how unimaginative they are, or shows how aware they must be of what they do in order to so deeply fear having it turned on them

ID: ramona @gothforbid: i'm so tired of feminists feeling the need to tell men how beneficiary feminism is for them too so they could support feminism, men's incapability of supporting the rights of women without receiving anything in return is part of the problem

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