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Was just thinking how nice it is to be on social media and not be bombarded with ads!

Its amazing how this is the first site in years that I dont need to install blockers or scroll through bs or be so cynical with what I read.

Fellow Australians, rejoice in this little space we have from corporate bombardment

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[–] Kushan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (8 children)

People who keep repeating that this isn’t sustainable don’t know how shitty capitalism is. Its not the servers that are unsustainable its the parasites on top.

I think it's fair to say that people who say things like this don't understand that it costs money to host these servers. All the enjoyment from working on it in the world doesn't pay for database or image storage or CPU cycles or bandwidth.

[–] eskimofry@lemmy.one 11 points 1 year ago (6 children)

You're kind of jumping over the comment there. You pay for database or image storage or CPU cycles or bandwidth PLUS the management, execs, HR, shareholders if this were to be run like a company. What they're saying is we kind of skip the most expensive costs by relying on the fediverse as a non-profit entity.8

[–] Kushan@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

we kind of skip the most expensive costs

I'll be honest, the reason I skipped over this is because it's entirely unsubstantiated. Show me an up to date breakdown of reddit's costs that shows how much is exec pay versus infrastructure costs or whatever.

We're talking an entirely different scale here as well. Anyone can host Lemmy on an old computer and that'll work to a point, but as more users join you'll need a bigger, faster computer. Eventually you can't make a computer any bigger and you need to start offloading key components on to separate computers - one for your database, one for your image cache, etc.

Before you know it, you suddenly can't make the database computer any bigger, you need to split that off into more and more complex architecture. You need more caching, a CDN to make sure requests don't hose your CPU and the site remains fast. All big Lemmy instances will hit this issue with scale sooner or later. When that happens, it starts to become a full-time job just looking after that infrastructure, which is now going to cost you thousands of $ a month. Then you need to factor in that the lemmy software isn't currently built for that kind of scale (It does scale to a point, don't get me wrong), it's built to scale out in instances, not to scale single instances. It wouldn't take a huge amount to add in the code necessary to help an individual instance scale out, but someone has to write and maintain that code, which in itself starts to become a full time job or several full time jobs.

The future of lemmy is bright, but it will hinge on users supporting their communities and if they don't, expect things like ads to appear.

[–] magnetosphere@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Alternatively, you can simply stop accepting new members (or shut down completely) if the donations dry up and you can’t afford to run your instance - or if you just don’t want to do it anymore. Other instances will take up the slack. Lemmy will live on. That’s how the fediverse works.

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