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This is opinion. So read it as such. But consider it please.

Obviously if you read this based on the title. I assume you oppose the Tories.

But if you are wondering why labour are so keen to manage expectations. There is a reason.

Campaign funding wise the Tories are estimated to be 19m ahead of labour. But honestly at the moment they are not spending a huge amount more.

We know the Tories are skilled at election manipulation. So there is genuine fear that the Tories plan to launch a campaign within the last few days.

I.E. when there is less time and funding to ensure fact checking is effective.

They know Starmer is more publicity aware then Corbyn was. He is able to play it in a way that dose not scare traditional Conservative voters.

They also know thanks to Boris, that the courts are unable to punish them for outright lies during any political campaign. And that Rishi is prepared to lie about and accuse civil servants of lying when challenged.

As huge as polling is against the Tories. All it would take is some dramatic claim against the party or Starmer. To convince Tory traditional voters to bite their tongue and vote Tory. While convincing left wing voters not to vote or to switch to 3rd party in seats where labour are the 1st or 2nd party.

The fact we know they have a huge amount of money unspent. Makes it clear they plan to launch something nearer the end of the election. And the only advantage of leaving it so late. Is it will limit the ability of the party to effectively react. Or fact checkers to be able to prove and distribute evidence of lies.

Please be prepared for this.

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[–] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 8 points 3 months ago (17 children)

Yep that is because under FPTP it is the truth. The US is one of the few other nations that use the shitty system. So yes if you refuse to vote Biden you are Basically giving your vote to the Trump camp.

Something only people who actually think trump will do less harm trhen biden should do.

And anyone who thinks that. Really is not worth listening to.

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago (6 children)

I am saying neither will do less harm. We've had this tired debate too many times to go into it but in the case of Biden his administration has done nothing to reverse or curtail the worst of Trump's policies and he managed to somehow be even MORE racist on immigration.

Lesser evilism is a trap and you are better off organizing more direct action. I don't vote for either candidate that supports genocide, simple as.

[–] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Yep and that comes under my final statement.

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I am saying neither will do less harm.

So why are you still bothering trying to tell people to vote for these ghouls?

I am mad and throwing civility out the window but I am also genuinely curious.

How do you hold those two contradictory thoughts together in your brain at the same time?

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

All choices are simple to the simpleminded.

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 1 points 3 months ago

cool no answer just a pithy condescending personal insult got it.

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