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[–] waigl@lemmy.world 92 points 3 months ago (50 children)

This is something that has been occasionally happening in Europe (at least in Germany, don't know about France) for well over 10 years now. Probably more like 15.

What's sorely needed at this point is much more storage to make this energy available when it is needed instead of when it isn't. Before that happens, you cannot really decommission any gas or coal power plants, because you still need them during times of much less renewable production.

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago (47 children)

this is why we still need nuclear, to replace the fossil fuel baseline.

[–] phneutral@feddit.de 29 points 3 months ago (4 children)

The concept of baseline power is no longer needed. Scientists wrote about that for years now. Battery storage and smart grids are growing faster and cheaper than nuclear ever could.

[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago

Greenfield nuclear is (probably) not economically relevant.

Refurbishing existing NPPs has a LCOE on-par with renewables and gives breathing room for variability issues that will otherwise be absorbed by fossil fuels until that eventual transition to storage/smart grid.

Any discussion of nuclear's costs/profitability that does not distinguish between greenfield and existing/refurbished is agendaposting since most of the costs of a NPP are upfront.

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