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The western values Ukraine is defending are becoming more apparent by the day.

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[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (28 children)

So explain, then, what point you're making and what your alternative is? Your initial statement is intentionally vague and seems to have a very direct agenda to make Ukraine look bad by posting this article. And I didn't claim Ukraine expanding its martial law powers was "right", because its not, but it is at least understandable considering how their entire country is teetering on the edge of complete civil collapse (and such restrictions are with precedent, most nations do during wars and even America did restrict a lot of liberties during WWII/vietnam/etc). Sticking to your morals is valiant but pointless if it means you get overrun by those without morals.
But your vague statement seem to think this change makes them worse than Russia.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago (24 children)

The point I'm making is very simple and should be obvious. When the regime has to grab people off the street and force them to fight, then it has no legitimacy. This isn't a case of people willingly defending their country, it's fascist regime backed by the west that's forcing people to die in a senseless war. If you can't understand such basic things then what else is there to say to you.

[–] gladflag@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago (16 children)

So if enough people won’t fight the government should shut down and let the invaders take over? Is that your alternative? Civilisations sometimes need to force people to work for a common good. See also vaccines.

[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

common good

what is good for the commons about shoveling more unwilling ukrainian bodies at a fight they want to be over

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

awesome yes, they should let putin take everything over so he can then shovel Ukrainian and Russian bodies into his next annexation project!

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 5 months ago

That's literally what will happen if Ukraine keeps on fighting. They have sent literally every soldier and every piece of equipment they had into the breach. They have sent multiple times over the budget of Russia's military in and it's been destroyed. They are running out of everything. The average age of a Ukrainian soldier has sky rocketed.

This only stops with a negotiated peace deal.

[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 1 points 5 months ago

yeah if they want to surrender that's their decision, lmao? people in other countries don't exist to be pawns of US foreign policy, they actually have their own lives and interests

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