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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (44 children)

What's the problem with CloudFlare? They're trying to make a profit, and so in the long run are the same as anybody, but every interaction I've had with them recently has left me impressed.

Edit: The answer is that the way their thing works nullifies HTTPS.

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 43 points 5 months ago (18 children)

Remember when google was beloved by everyone back then when they're still have "don't be evil" motto? Cloudflare right now is like google back then: super useful, provides a lot of free services that would be expensive on other providers. But unlike google, if cloudflare go full evil in the future, the impact will be much larger because they're an mitm proxy capable of seeing unencrypted traffics across all websites under their wing. Right now they're serving ~30% of top 10,000 websites and growing.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 5 months ago (14 children)

Oh, okay, so I'm not wrong that they're good right now.

I'm a little unclear on how it works. Do they strip off HTTPS somehow? Otherwise, there's not too much unencrypted traffic around anymore.

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Do they strip off HTTPS somehow?

Well yes, how else they can provide their services such as page caching, image optimizing, email address obfuscation, js minifications, ddos mitigation, etc unless they can see all data flowing between your server and your visitors in the clear?

Cloudflare is basically an MITM proxy. This blog post might be helpful if you want to know how mitm proxy works in general: https://vinodpattanshetti49.medium.com/how-the-mitm-proxy-works-8a329cc53fb

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 5 months ago

Jesus Christ, I didn't realise.

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