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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago (14 children)

So when you jaywalk you’re an illegal pedestrian

Sure, that's not a term anybody really uses though.

when you do a rolling stop at a stop sign you’re an illegal driver

No, an illegal driver is a driver without a license. It's a pretty widely used term. There's also "illegal doctor" for people who are practicing medicine without a license. Normally when the term is used it's not for a brief violation of the law, but for a persistent status.

So what kinds of illegal are you?

If you think "illegal pedestrian" is a thing, I've been that pretty often, but I've never been caught. Was this supposed to be some kind of gotcha?

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 8 months ago (11 children)

The point is that an illegal immigrant makes it sound like the human being themselves is illegal. Literally the law they broke is on the same level as jay walking. That’s why people shouldn’t be using the dehumanizing term illegal immigrant.

However, I think you already understood that.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago (10 children)

an illegal immigrant makes it sound like the human being themselves is illegal

No it doesn't, that's why the word "immigrant" is there, to describe what the illegal thing was. So, an illegal doctor is a doctor who doesn't have a license. An illegal motorist is someone who is driving a car without a license. Nobody thinks that the human being is "illegal" whatever that means, it's the immigration that was illegal.

Literally the law they broke is on the same level as jay walking

No, it's not. Has anybody ever been removed from a country when they've been caught jay walking? Even a fine is extremely rare. Being in a country illegally is a more serious offense by a pretty large margin.

However, I think you already understood that.

I understood that some people trot out those terrible arguments, but I don't think even they actually believe them.

[–] Drusas@kbin.social 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yes, it does. That's the whole point of why it's bad to use the word "illegal" as a noun to describe people. And that's why people do so. Dehumanization. They're not an illegal immigrant. They're "an illegal". Barely even a person.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago

That’s the whole point of why it’s bad to use the word “illegal” as a noun

We're talking about using the word illegal as an adjective: "illegal immigrant". Immigrant is a noun, illegal is an adjective.

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