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~~And Apollo/Christian could have swallowed that reality and altered the product so he didn't have to shut it all down wholsesale, no?~~
Not saying I'm not happy with the way things played out (I love Voyager ๐), but I need to understand the bigger picture here and why Narwhal can make it work when Christian portrayed it like it was unthink+doable...
Edit: Christian didn't want to be involved with Reddit and they actually did screw him in a way they had to walk back later, but not before destroying the most problematic competitor for them. This makes much more sense and I have thoroughly revised my views on the matter in partnership with all the kind folks chiming in here
the short answer is that only a few apps were willing to play ball, and reddit corp was able to walk back their initial (untenable) terms to a point where they could keep those apps afloat.
the long answer is that during the course of these 'negotiations', huffman publicly libeled the shit out of christian which forced christian to defend himself against the accusations by releasing recordings, and none of this is conducive to a healthy working relationship. neither christian nor huffman have any desire to work with one another at this point, so they don't.
See I get that then. That makes me way more sympathetic to Christian but his 'tude towards Voyager was still distasteful. He shouldn't have said anything at all if he didn't want that introduced into the narrative/record
Look, I liked him and his work, got me into this dialectical stuff for years and Im way better off in consequence. I don't wish him any ill will anymore and I will alter my rhetoic/talking points accordingly for when it comes up.
See, this is the confirmation and validation of this whole platform/dialectical crowd-sourcing discourse and such. You just changed my view that I was pretty fiercely nursing in less than 1 hour aha
i don't know what he had to say about/toward voyager, personally. 'the record' as far as anyone who's paid attention is concerned is pretty clear about who's in the right and who's a libelous, manipulative fuckwad.
Oh yeah, for sure. Like I hate that little bitch/spez, there was never any competition for biggest fuckwad when it came to spaz, I was just pissed off about Voyager and Christian's ostensible aloofness that was coloring my global perception of him.