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The comparison in a recent New Yorker article was viewed as controversial in Germany, where government authorities strongly support Israel as a form of remorse and responsibility after Adolf Hitler’s Germany murdered up to 6 million Jews in the Holocaust.

Gessen, who was born Jewish in the Soviet Union, is critical of Israel’s treatment of Palestinians.

In Gessen’s article, titled “In the Shadow of the Holocaust,” the author explores German Holocaust memory, arguing that Germany today stifles free and open debate on Israel.

Gessen also is critical of Israel’s relationship with Palestinians, writing that Gaza is “like a Jewish ghetto in an Eastern European country occupied by Nazi Germany.”

“The ghetto is being liquidated,” the article added.

(Here's a non-paywall link to the article.) It is profound.

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[–] query@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

If they weren't Jewish, the whole thing would've probably just been scrapped.

[–] Fecundpossum@lemmy.world 35 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Saying the same thing, but with a less negative connotation, I think it’s important that a Jewish man is the one making this comparison and pushing others to reevaluate their blind tribalism on the matter. Jews have been killed, displaced, and persecuted by Muslims long before the rise of Hitlers Reich, but answering barbarism with more barbarism only ensures future barbarism.

Everyone deserves peace, freedom and safety. No one deserves the right to take peace, freedom or safety away from others, but humans do horrible things with power. We are not so different from our distant ancestors, and we still havent come close to rising above our nature..

[–] sixCats@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Genuine Q: isn’t saying this should have come from a Jewish person a form of tribalism itself?

I’m of the opinion that critical thinking (like this piece) can be achieved by any person from any background, and we all should be engaging with the ideas that come up (and their merit, or lack thereof) rather than anything else if we’re interested in moving forward in a way that is equitable for all

IMO It seems a dangerous thing to be gatekeeping ideas from certain groups of people

[–] Fecundpossum@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Yes, anyone can have this opinion, and many people do, I’m just saying it might carry more weight coming from a Jew, and land better with other Jews and people aligned with them. None of that is gate keeping, and I’m pretty sure you’re a troll and don’t even know it.

[–] girlfreddy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I don't believe they were promoting gatekeeping ideas. We're allowed to think as we choose. But many have said similar things here (maybe not nearly as eloquently, but still ...) and it hasn't made a difference. Biden continues to fully support Israel and the killing hasn't stopped.

The ideas had to written by a Jewish person, someone who knows in their DNA what it's like to live as a Jew, to be treated as less-than far too often, to know family who were murdered, and to have realized the promise of a real home after a 2000 year diaspora.

[–] sixCats@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 months ago

So, your second paragraph is interesting because I/my family have lived that experience; as an autistic person and as someone whose grandfather fled their country as a refugee due to a communist uprising

Autistic people were actually the very first group of people to be holocausted by the nazis, several years before Jewish people

Does that give me more right or credibility to share these ideas? should it?

I don’t think it’s made a difference in this case either, if we’re comparing it to other individuals who have made this point and the effects on foreign policy

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