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[–] Dislodge3233@feddit.de 18 points 9 months ago (12 children)

Are there any neutral sources? Or at least more complete accountings? I only find Leif's account and some transphobic accounts.

The only "facts" I could find are that Leif had an AR-15 and maced 2-4 people (depending on the account). The transphobic one says children were maced.

I'm just legitimately interested in what happened.

[–] seahorse@midwest.social 27 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (11 children)

I know a few people IRL that were first person witnesses to what happened. From what they say, Leif was escorting families at the event when a guy in full crusader armor hit him with a megaphone, and Leif defended himself and those families with mace. Now, I'm a bit fuzzy on the other people involved, but there was supposedly some parent with his 12 year old kid who had a pepper ball gun pointed at Leif and a knife of some kind who also were involved. And yes, the KID had a pepper ball gun.

Edit: the guy in crusader armor is known around the Cleveland, Ohio area as the Alt Knight who pretty much protests anything even remotely progressive. Pic below.

Here is a (not that great pic) I snagged of him at a drag story hour event I was at yesterday. Looks like his mom bought him a new helmet lmao.

[–] frog@beehaw.org 20 points 9 months ago (3 children)

If these accounts are true, then Leif's actions sound reasonable to me. Macing someone who is threatening you with a weapon is justifiable in my opinion, even if the wielder of the weapon is a minor - the real blame lies with the parent who gave a weapon to a 12 year old.

[–] seahorse@midwest.social 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I haven't watched it yet but there is video of the whole thing somewhere online as well if you want to see what happened.

[–] Five@slrpnk.net 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Someone linked the video in this post but it has since been taken down.

From my memory I have no idea where the 'children maced' accusations are coming from. A male fascist protected behind a line of police brandished a weapon at antifascists nonviolently protesting, and got a face full of mace in response. It was accurately targeted, and even the police with their backs to the fascists who the stream sprayed past were unaffected. There was a fascist woman who brought her children to protest alongside people sieg heil'ing who harassed the police until they arrested Leif while lying about the context of the action.

[–] Dislodge3233@feddit.de 15 points 9 months ago

What a time to be alive. Nazis wearing chainmail and bringing children to protest drag events. If I didn't follow the news, I'm not sure I would be able to tell this wasn't a LARP event.

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