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[–] jasory@programming.dev -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (19 children)

The data is asking leading questions. The mere fact that one has declined a job in a certain state does not follow that the reason was specific to a single law.

Additionally you realise that Ob-Gyn services far more than abortion. If they are shutting down, it's primarily due to aging populations in small communities, not abortion laws.

FYI if you want to throw around statistics it helps to have some formal education in statistics that way you atleast know what kind of conclusions the data actually supports. Hint, it's rarely what uneducated journalists think.

[–] GlitzyArmrest@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (18 children)

I love that you brought up formal education regarding stats; you must be an expert since you kept track of the opinions and personal thoughts of "hundreds of women" you know.

You've been told of personal experiences, and you've also been given multiple studies above. Are you really so insecure that you cannot be wrong even when presented with clear, cut and dry evidence? Is that insecurity what's causing you to belittle the pain and turmoil that women in red states experience every day?

I find it very interesting that you had no problem seeing the logic behind MJ legalization, but when women came into the picture you suddenly weren't so sure.

By the way, your "I know literally hundreds of women" line has still got it. Makes me giggle every time I read it.

[–] jasory@programming.dev -4 points 1 year ago (17 children)

It's simply a matter of selecting relevant statistics.

"Belittle the pain and turmoil"

Bit melodramatic aren't we? People experience "pain and turmoil", regardless of what state they live in. I love how pro-choice people have to portray abortion restrictions as modern-day Auschwitz, because they solely want to permit the active killing of human beings for any reason. That's all this entire conversation is about, it's not about accuracy it's about the fact that it doesn't endorse the narrative that abortion is critical to women's lives. That's the only reason anyone here has a problem with it.

"Makes me giggle everytime"

If you haven't held personal conversations with hundreds of people in your lifetime, you're just socially inept. This isn't a difficult task, and nowhere did I claim this happened simultaneously. I was merely referencing the fact that out of hundreds of people I've interacted with, only a handful referenced marijuana laws (basically just hardcore potheads) and zero abortion laws as the primary reasons for moving. I even threw in gun laws, even though I've never actually known someone who primarily moved because of them.

[–] Womdat10@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Then where are your statistics? Besides, at the point where it is legal anywhere in the states to get an abortion, is before the infant has gained awareness, so it isn't killing a human being, it is killing a being that isn't alive yet. Also, abortion is quite critical to woman's lives, it can in fact be a matter of life and death, or the ability to afford a home, or food, or it could be the matter of rape where the woman had no choice at all in the matter, and might even be a child. The point about your line being funny, is about the way you put it, not it being strange to happen.

[–] jasory@programming.dev -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"It is killing a being that isn't alive yet"

Excuse me, how do you kill something that isn't alive yet? You are literally so stupid that you made a clear contradiction within a single sentence.

You realise that awareness is not the criteria for life? I would even argue (much more effectively than you, or most moral philosophers) that the wrongness of killing doesn't come from possessing a temporary state of awareness, but being an entity that will possess this temporary state in the future. If the former was actually true, then killing anyone would be permissible so long as you did it fast enough that the total pattern of behaviour didn't meet some definition of consciousness. But I'm running far ahead of myself, you didn't even make any argument remotely as coherent as the one I just refuted.

"At the point where it is legal anywhere"

This is actually false, the majority of jurisdictions in the US and worldwide do ban 3rd trimester abortions, but you claimed that all of them don't allow abortion past a point of awareness. So I would like to point you to New Mexico's criminal code, where abortion up to birth for any reason is not classified as a crime(aka it's legal in case you are too stupid to realize that).

"Also abortion is quite critical to women's lives"

You are confusing edge cases where it may be critical to someone's life and asserting it to be the norm when it simply isn't. Chemotherapy is critical to some people's lives, it would be false to assert that the everyday individual makes decisions based upon obtaining it.

You either are severely intoxicated or have actual brain damage. Your statements are dumber and less coherent than the standard propaganda that you should have just copy-pasted.

[–] Womdat10@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

You remind me of a quote by Mark Twain. "Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." -Mark Twain

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