Putin used his speech not only to announce recognition of the separatist republics but to make a broader argument that Ukraine is not truly a separate country from Russia, that the West is responsible for this standoff, and that Ukraine will bear responsibility for any "future bloodletting."

For people who have dismissed accusations that Russia building an excuse for war, is this not at least ominous? This is the final sentence from the Kremlin's transcript:

That raises another question: why was it necessary to make such generous gifts, beyond the wildest dreams of the most zealous nationalists and, on top of all that, give the republics the right to secede from the unified state without any conditions?

Reading over his speech, it's hard to see him as viewing Ukraine with its own will. Instead, it is merely a breakaway nation that should be subject to Russia's will.

[–] olive@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

For people who have dismissed accusations that Russia building an excuse for war

I'm pretty convinced at this point that a good amount of people on this site that are either Russian/Chinese propagandists, are apologists, or are just in complete denial. Every post about this has someone calling out Western media as fake news, etc, but here you go. Here is the proof. They all look like idiots with their foot in their mouths now.

[–] gun@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Ah yes. The brilliant Russo-Chinese geopolitical strategy. Fund propagandists to spread their agenda on Lemmy of all fucking places.
When they can't prove you wrong on an issue, or even imagine how anyone could disagree with them, they resort to calling you a Russian bot, just like the Democrats do to everyone who disagrees with them. Apparently most of the world is Russian bots 😂
You should be careful throwing around the word "idiot" with that line of argument 😉

[–] ArchimedesTesseract@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It's not a joint strategy, necessarily. Chinese, I suspect, are simply paid in social credits for displays of fervent nationalism. But it's certainly cheap enough to pay a room of shills to repeat your talking points of the day. Even on remote outposts like lemmy. For a country with a weak economy and military like Russia, information war is the best bang for the buck.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Imagine being a grown ass adult and believing all that. 😂

[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's simpler than that. They're paid nothing. It's of their own accord. It's kind of sad.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

a self referential comment if I ever saw one

[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

Fancy seeing you here

[–] m532@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"social credits" Racist dehumanizing USA propaganda.

[–] ArchimedesTesseract@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Seasame Credits. What else do you call them, race baiter?

[–] m532@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Going for insults now, NATO bootlicker?

[–] ArchimedesTesseract@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think you're just too dim to understand. You brought race randomly into this. Now you cast NATO as some power to be feared. It's a defensive pack. Russia casts it as a boogeyman to justify invading it's neighbors. That would make you a Russian bootlicker.

[–] m532@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No, you do not need to fear NATO. Just look away from all the people they killed in Yugoslavia, Libya, Afghanistan... Nothing to see if you just stick your head in the sand.

[–] ArchimedesTesseract@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Putin is the only one fearing NATO. After he saw what happened to Quaddafi.

[–] m532@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Finally you admit that NATO is just a bunch of evil murderers

[–] ArchimedesTesseract@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

Do you have any evidence that they poison underwear? Because Putin does.

[–] olive@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The thing is, your argument is just as thin. There is no point in arguing with a stupid person, because they will just bring you down to their level and win. Which is why you're not worth it. If you really believe the BS russian propaganda, you're so far gone it's not worth it. Russia could nuke Kiev and you would try justify it or call it fake news or something. Take vladdy p's cock out your mouth.

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