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A 12-year-old girl who suffered a lung collapse and spent four days in an induced coma has told the BBC that children should never start vaping.

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[–] Rottcodd@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago (36 children)

So seriously - who's peddling this anti-vaping propaganda and what's their goal?

Vaping is easily the most effective way to stop smoking that's ever existed. Certainly we don't want kids to start doing it, and kids are the basis for much of the propaganda, but it's never just restricted to trying to make it so kids don't start. All of the propaganda efforts are directed toward stamping out vaping entirely, and that means that millions of people whose lives could literally be saved by switching from smoking to vaping will be denied that opportunity.

Why? Whose interests are served by denying adult smokers access to the most effective smoking cessation product ever?

[–] sheogorath@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If you smoke, you should be allowed to vape in an attempt to quit. But if you never smoked, fuck vaping. It's too new to be thoroughly studied for health effects.

[–] Rottcodd@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm always curious - what is it that leads you to believe that you should be able to decide what other people may or may not do with their own bodies?

I've never been able to wrap my head around that whole idea. There's just no angle on it that makes sense to me.

If I presume that people do have the right to decide what other people can do with their own bodies, then we end up with self-defeating chaos, since different people have entirely different, conflicting and even contradictory, views on that.

But if I decide that they don't have that right, then... they don't have that right.

I don't see a chain of logic that can possibly lead to the conclusion that anyone does have that right, but it seems I can't turn around without running into yet another person, like you here, who blithely presumes that they do.

So really - how does that work? Inside your own mind, what's the reasoning that leads to the conclusion that you, rather than the actual people who actually inhabit the other bodies around you, should be empowered to decide what they may or may not do with their own bodies?

I just can't make sense of it.

[–] SomeoneElseMod@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago

You see this way of thinking about poor and disabled people too, as if being unfortunate enough to require government assistance means you lose your agency too.

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