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We're also getting news (from videos from CNN) that Hamas was shooting at armed security at the rave and that people got caught in the crossfire. Seems they didn't adopt proper fire discipline rules when firing on hostiles in the presence of civilians, but they're not exactly a highly-trained professional army with pinpoint accurate munitions. Hamas also lacks proper combat training for how to deal with adrenal stress and adrenal dump after all clear hostiles have been eliminated.
So you're telling me that 260 people "got caught in the crossfire"? Also, the video with Shani Louk in the back of a truck, with Hamas and Palestinian terrorists parading besides her mangled body doesn't really support your theory that they simply got caught "in crossfire". Bullets don't break legs. Bullets don't rape.
I forgot that the average Joe in Israel owns a Merkava that they park at their rave. Silly me.
Edit: for anyone looking for proof, look at the recent videos getting shown on CNN. There are clearly armoured vehicles in the background that are present during the fighting and those armoured vehicles clearly feature the classic ball and chain anti-RPG defenses present on the Merkava turret. I don't know about you, but festival security in my country don't get a tank.
I'm fascinated. How can you write so much while adding so little to the conversation? You literally just repeated your first comment.
Military vehicles at the border of a country you're at war with doesn't strike me as abnormal. The video also doesn't make it clear when the military vehicles arrived.
Even if the Israeli military was present before the attack, that doesn't give these terrorists the right to hunt, abuse, rape innocent civilians.
Oh I'm sorry, I thought it was a one-sided massacre and not a two-sided shootout? The IDF is hiding their tanks and military personnel amongst civilians (which, as established, we have clear video evidence of) and is using them as meat shields.
It's more likely that they just responded to the attack. There are videos out there of police officers trying to return fire. No military present.
Does your police force operate Merkava tanks?
Do you understand the concept of responding to an invasion? Hamas terrorists were literally flying in with motorized para gliders. Israel probably detected them hours before they ever touched ground.
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/10/10/exp-israel-festival-victim-jeremy-diamond-101002aseg1-cnni-world.cnn
This video shows that the tank wasn't present at the festival itself, but rather further down the road. Nothing out of the ordinary for the border region,
You still didn't explain how rifle bullets break legs or rape women. Please come up with an explanation before responding again.
https://twitter.com/FiorellaIsabelM/status/1711795219916636662?t=Vi5W0x4P24RU4bK2akfmSw&s=19
Gee I sure wonder why Hamas would be shooting at armed personnel.
Meanwhile, you're literally talking about the girl that, according to her family, is still alive and being treated for head injuries at a Gazan hospital. From the video, it's clear that she is wearing some sort of black bottoms and some sort of black top (and that, while we can't see the front of the top because she is lying face down, the bottoms are clearly on). Moreover, her boots are still on, and if you know anything about clothes you would know that putting on tight shorts is rather challenging over boots. For what it's worth, her top looks like it's seen better days, which may explain why she is being held face-down.
And, get this, you can get your legs into the position she was in without breaking them. Her right foot is pointed outwards and her right leg is deflected in a position that's perfectly achievable without much flexibility. Her left leg is in a perfectly normal position. There's no indication that she was raped or that her leg is broken. Nothing in the video corroborates the claims being made.