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Is there something better than SQL? (programming.dev)
submitted 11 months ago by onlinepersona@programming.dev to c/programming@programming.dev
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If you're modeling relational data, it doesn't seem like you can get around using a DB that uses SQL, which to me is the worst: most programmers aren't DB experts and the SQL they output is quite often terrible.

Not to dunk on the lemmy devs, they do a good job, but they themselves know that their SQL is bad. Luckily there are community members who stepped up and are doing a great job at fixing the numerous performance issues and tuning the DB settings, but not everybody has that kind of support, nor time.

Also, the translation step from binary (program) -> text (SQL) -> binary (server), just feels quite wrong. For HTML and CSS, it's fine, but for SQL, where injection is still in the top 10 security risks, is there something better?

Yes, there are ORMs, but some languages don't have them (rust has diesel for example, which still requires you to write SQL) and it would be great to "just" have a DB with a binary protocol that makes it unnecessary to write an ORM.

Does such a thing exist? Is there something better than SQL out there?

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 61 points 11 months ago (10 children)

No, SQL is great for relational data. There's like decades of research into it. It's the best.

[–] r1veRRR@feddit.de -5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

SQL is horrible as a language to read or write. There's a million different variants, because it lacks so many basic things. And when used in other code, you generally end up string concatinating one language in another language, with all the HORRIBLE bugs something like that brings about.

Imagine Backend People said we should just write adhoc Javascript for the frontend by concatinating the "correct" code in the backend.

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