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[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (22 children)

What percentage of people are born with both, or none or indistinguishable sexual organs? I'm not entirely against TBD for the record but I think your argument is disingenuous, not every person who is trans is one the incredibly rare circumstances where this issue arises.

Some people live as one gender for a long time before transitioning and while I'm happy for them to do as they please and live a safe and happy life I don't think they should change their birth cert. Official documents are used for am enormous amount of statistics and changing them serves only to confuse the data and misrepresent facts. All that is needed is an amendment document that shows that while their birth cert says male they are now female. That's it

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (21 children)

Around 1in 1,000.

You are going through ridiculous leaps and lengths to avoid the obvious simple solution that already exists today. And for what? A strange need for a document to be immutable? Perfection of historical information?

Those seem like tenuous reasons do something that actively takes options from people who value those options.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (7 children)

You're off by about 1000-3500 according to the study i just found. "The estimated frequency of genital ambiguity is reported to be in the range of 1:2000-1:4500"

If the document was the summary of the person then fine change it. If the only people that were looking to change it were those affected by genital ambiguity mentioned then fine change it. But it isn't the case, not everyone who is trans is someone like that, and they don't have to be. They were born as one gender and they want to live as another, that's fine but don't change records to suit that. You don't move house and change your birth location.

[–] ougi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How about this: I’ll enjoy my updated birth certificate, and you can go fuck yourself?

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Very good counter argument, well thought out and presented. Maybe get the cert amended to show you self identify as an asshole?

[–] ougi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Maybe I can rip yours up and stuff it in the trash?

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