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[–] pigginz@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (18 children)

Overall, Kusti Salm, a senior Estonian defense ministry official, estimated that Russia’s current ammunition production is seven times greater than that of the West.

Russia’s production costs are also far lower than the West’s, in part because Moscow is sacrificing safety and quality in its effort to build weapons more cheaply, Mr. Salm said. For instance, it costs a Western country $5,000 to $6,000 to make a 155-millimeter artillery round, whereas it costs Russia about $600 to produce a comparable 152-millimeter artillery shell, he said.

A US-based media article is claiming that Russia can produce seven times the ammunition at something like one tenth the per-unit cost. That's insane if true. I knew Russia was putting up big production numbers, but that big? If that's even close to correct then the idea that the AFU could ever push Russia out by force is utterly delusional now.

[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

While I can believe Russian health and safety standards aren't the best, I doubt very, very much that the $4–5,400 price difference per shell is spent (entirely) on improved working conditions at western factories. That's potentially the most outrageous thing I've ever heard and I once spoke to a jellyfish, which did not respond. But if I were to speak to it again, it might say something like this:

The answer is right there in the prose. The price difference is because the Russians save three millimetres worth of metal for every shell (it's probably 3mm³ but the text isn't clear). That metal could even be wrought iron, which doesn't come cheap.

The west should make their ammunitions smaller than the Russians'. Maybe start with just a small decrease in size, like 149mm. This would, by my calculations at the correct ratio and taking health and safety into account, reduce the cost of each shell to roughly $5–600.

The Russians aren't silly and they do like an arms race with the west. By Christmas they are likely to go even smaller. Maybe down to 146mm @ $60. Now we see there's a predictable trend and what the Russians won't know is that the west has already started to produce 143mm shells at the same price!

Eventually, the west will be able to fit two shells into one artillery-thing, which is bound to have some advantages. For a start it will solve the problem of not having enough weapons because every weapon will now be twice as effective.

Eventually, if the west keeps going with this winning strategy, the cost of it's shells will become $0. Some time after that, the size will become 0mm, too. Like a good game of Connect Jelly 4, if the west drops it's pieces right, the Russians will get to zero first and then won't be able to fight at all.

Personally, I would not take advice from a jellyfish even if it was sentient. It would probably just spook me, tbh, and they have the right shape to dress up as a ghost, too.

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