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[–] MinekPo1@lemmygrad.ml 39 points 1 year ago (128 children)

Similar thing happened across the border, in Ukraine, with a pacifist being accused of "justifying the war", as reported by Democracy Now!

[–] orizuru@lemmy.sdf.org 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (121 children)

Russian pacifists want Russia to stop invading Ukraine.

Lemmygrad / Hexbear pacifists want Ukraine to appease Russia and give up territory.

They are not the same.

[–] InappropriateEmote@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No, we want Ukraine to stop trying to ethnically cleanse the Donbas and give the people there self determination. And we want the Ukrainian government to stop forcibly conscripting people to go die needlessly on the front in a clearly losing war. We want NATO to stop enabling all of that (it literally wouldn't be happening if they weren't demanding that it continue). That's what it is to be a peace activist. And I'm fairly sure I can speak for all of us, we are not pacifists, lol. But we are advocates for peace and the end to the horrible and needless loss of life.

Nice try to completely twist reality, and completely misrepresent us, as you war mongering dronies always do.

Edit: We actually give a shit about all the Ukrainian people being thrown into a fucking meat grinder. We care about their lives. The people who just say "more weapons to Ukraine!" do not give a shit about the lives of the people there. They're happy to just let the war keep dragging on until the last capable Ukrainian is dead. An example of how WE feel about the tragedy of the situation: https://hexbear.net/post/503747 (hexbear link to a lemmygrad news post)

[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Edit: We actually give a shit about all the Ukrainian people being thrown into a fucking meat grinder. We care about their lives. The people who just say “more weapons to Ukraine!” do not give a shit about the lives of the people there. They’re happy to just let the war keep dragging on until the last capable Ukrainian is dead. An example of how WE feel about the tragedy of the situation: https://hexbear.net/post/503747 (hexbear link to a lemmygrad news post)

So be fucking outraged then that Russia started, and is continuing this war. They're the ones killing Ukrainians in their homeland.

A comment from that link:

Omg, it's a full on genocide of Ukrainian people. Just damm the Western libs.... Fuck this planet.

Russia is committing genocide. They've been raping and killing civilians since the start, this is where your anger and energy needs to be. Imagine being outraged at the nation defending itself from genocide, and those countries that are sending the tools that they're being asked for to help defend themselves.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They've been raping and killing civilians since the start

You know this is not genocide, right?

You are describing war crimes. War crimes are horrible. Two rapes are two rapes too many. Every side in every war does them, which is a major reason war is so horrific. Genocide is much more than a series of war crimes, though. To believe otherwise is to declare all sides in all wars genocidal, rendering the word meaningless.

[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're kidnapping Ukrainian children and trying to "re-educate" them, and given Russian soldiers have had specific orders to "kill everyone" from commanders, and video evidence of random civilians being targeted and killed, I can't really think what else is could be? Seems like they're trying to eradicate the Ukrainian people and their culture.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago (9 children)

They're kidnapping Ukrainian children and trying to "re-educate" them

Let's start with a source for this one. I've seen nothing akin to the indigenous boarding schools ran by the U.S. and Canada in actual campaigns to destroy a people's collective identity. What I have seen are reports of children whose parents are not available/alive to take care of them (a fact of any war) and Russia putting them in school and/or up for adoption (something any state would do).

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[–] radiofreeval@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You realize more fighting and more weapons doesn't magicly win territory? It's war, to continue fighting means killing more people and destroying more lives. The fighting needs to stop as soon as possible, one way or another or the whole country will end up like Bakmuht.

[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So your answer is to let an aggressor nation just happily steamroll through any country it pleases? Because down to this logic, any nation that decides to defend their homeland just cause needless bloodshed. No fighting = no deaths, but the aggressor can literally just waltz in and take whatever it wants.

The fighting needs to stop as soon as possible

Agreed. Every effort needs to make sure Russia leaves Ukraine ASAP. Ideally without any more deaths. But unfortunately as long as Russia continues this pointless act of imperialism, then the death toll will rise.

[–] radiofreeval@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

So your answer is to keep the meatgrinder running for as long as possible? Sure, countless Ukrainians and Russians are dying, but at least the lines on the map don't change.

[–] CamaradeBoina@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

No the real answer is these people somehow think their constant egging on escalation instead of some sort of diplomatic resolution, won't eventually lead inevitably to the war escaping its proxy status and evolve into a REAL inter-imperialist direct confrontation with all of what it implies (it implies nukes)

[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If Ukraine wants to remain a sovereign nation and retain its land, then what alternative does it have? I don't think any nation in their right mind would happily let an invader just attack without putting up a defence.

Russia themselves threw millions of men into the meat grinder to defeat the Nazis and so did the allies. So did the north Vietnamese against the US. It's tragic, but it's it's unfortunately the reality when there's bad actors that invade other nations.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You think nazis are in this case the good actors because the genocide they were busy with got interrupted by an invader invited by the people you wanted killed off to protect them?

[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's it, keep peddling the Russian progaganda that the Ukrainians are Nazis and the Russians are humanitarian peacekeepers.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And you just keep using thought terminating cliches like "everything true but also bad is enemy propaganda" to prevent yourself from thinking about what holiday Ukraine made January first.

As just a single flippant example to both call you an idiot and say 'fuck you' for making me bother making a self evident case.

Defending Ukraine in this war is exactly equal to supporting the genocide they were committing to provoke it.

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[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

So your answer is to let an aggressor nation just happily steamroll through any country it pleases?

You were happy enough to let Ukraine commit genocide until an 'aggressor' stopped it

Every effort needs to make sure Russia leaves Ukraine ASAP

So enlist. They're out of warm bodies to throw at minefields and artillery kill zones. Instead of being so bloodthirsty with other people's lives, put yours at risk.

Why do you deserve to live if you want other people to die for your cause? Go die for your own cause. Go die with the rest of your nazi comrades.

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[–] Clippy@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Gaddafi's troops are committing rape to children en masse, they have issued viagra to mass rape people since the start. this is where your anger and energy need to be. Imagine being outraged at the nation defending itself from mass rape, and those countries that are sending the tools that they're being asked for to help defend themselves.

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[–] fuckiforgotmypasswor@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So be fucking outraged then that Russia started and is continuing this war

its so weird that the day the tanks rolled over the border of Ukraine history magically just began, there was no material reality prior to this event, or any geopolitical events of consequence we could connect to this outcome, certainly none that had to do with openly threatening to expand a hostile military alliance with supersonic and nuclear missiles 5 minutes from the capital city of Moscow

i wonder if the US has ever done the exact same thing in the name of national security and what the NATO heads said about it then

every pro NATO take is certified baby brain shit that demonstrates nothing but a lack of understanding of material reality, history, geopolitics, on top of an absolute disregard for human life, gross hypocrisy and a level of false outrage that is always directly proportional to how loudly they're calling to escalate bloodshed

Russia is committing genocide. "So do the humanitarian thing and send depleted uranium shells to this warzone. Slava Ukraini!!!!!!"

log off dude

[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

log off dude

No :)

RUSSIA BEST!!!! RUSSIA THE PEACEKEEPERS!!! THE HUMANITARIANS! DEFEND RUSSIA AT ALL COSTS! SPREAD ALL THE RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA!! RUSSIA CAN DO NO WRONG! POOR POOR RUSSIA HAD NO CHOICE!!

Am I doing it right?

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No. You're not doing it right. You're supposed to learn what the fuck you're talking about first. And you didn't so now you're having a childish tantrum at people talking back to you.

You think they told you to log off for their benefit and not your own? That's twice you've said something stupid because you didn't know what was going on around you.

[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They're defending the imperialistic warmongering Russian state who are shelling and bombing civilians and who are literally creating the bloodbath.

I'm not the one that needs to log off. But go ahead and keep shilling for Russia.

[–] sharedburdens@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Death to America

spoilerEdit and ukkk

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[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Russia turned the other cheek for eight years as Ukraine continued breaking treaty after treaty and committing genocide on Russia's border while at the same time threatening to host NATO nuclear weapons and invade their territory. They were dragged into this war by necessity. If I had any doubt in your typical American ignorance of foreign affairs, I would call you the warmonger. But I just call you an idiot.

Learn what the fuck you're talking about. Stop using words for their impact alone.

[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Everything you've just said is textbook Russian myths. And you've got the audacity to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You don't know what you're talking about because you dismiss all outside information as being tainted by the enemy.

[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

dismiss all outside information

I dismiss the Russian lies, yes.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

And all the western lies reported on before the war started retroactively

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

RUSSIA CAN DO NO WRONG!

Projection. Noone from Hexbear has ever said this or will ever say this.

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