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Like, did your actual center of gravity or muscular attributes change over time to make you pass or fail where previously you had the other outcome of one of these alleged "men can't do this but women can" type challenges?

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[–] purahna@lemmygrad.ml 59 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

hi! just so we're clear, there's no "the" surgery, there's a number of surgeries that trans people get: phalloplasty, vaginoplasty, mastectomy, breast implants, FFS, the lot of them. generally, most of these surgical interventions don't do too much to whole body musculature and are more localized, although having/not having a pair of boobies that you weren't/were used to can do a lot to your balance, but that's not the main thing that changes posture, center of gravity, etc.

possibly more relevant to the question, one of the most common medical interventions is hormone therapy, and this will absolutely change your musculature, flexibility, strength, and more. Transfems on E will see dramatic changes in their strength, muscle mass, and flexibility to be much more in line with cisfems, and transmascs will see similar but opposite. it's a super common meme among transfems who are dating cis women that they have to hand over jars to their cis girlfriends to open after starting E. Transmascs often report gaining an inch or two of height on T, transfems often report losing an inch or two of height on E, with no other interventions. Some people see shoe size changes, postural changes, more. there's no universally agreed upon cause for this but the current leading theories are that it's a combination of fat redistribution, muscle mass changes, and changes in tension in various tendons and ligaments. Anterior Pelvic Tilt is probably the largest cause of changes in postural change in trans people (and it's caused exclusively by GAHT), so if you're looking to learn more, that's probably the first thing you may want to read up on!

so to more explicitly answer the question, starting E will add a lot of fat to your lower body and remove a lot of muscle from your upper body, cause your pelvis to tilt, and more, and starting T will add a lot of muscle to your upper body and remove a lot of fat from your lower body, cause your pelvis to tilt, and more.

i'm super comfy with good faith questions btw so if you have more, feel free to ask me!

[–] Hyggyldy@sffa.community 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I imagine FFS is very common among trans people. I know I say it a lot whenever I hear certain people talk about the trans community.

[–] purahna@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I'm not sure of the rates although I know a huge number, probably a very large majority, of transfems only take E and sometimes a T blocker. I can also tell you that after a while on E, facial fat and muscle will redistribute to create a more feminine face. Many people are happy at that but some more want additional feminization and that's where FFS comes in!

(statistics are very poor because us trans folks are an extremely under-studied minority as well as a moving target because of changing culture and treatment modalities, so I wouldn't trust most studies purporting to know statistics on things like how many transfems get FFS besides being a ballpark range)

[–] LurkyLoo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I'll add on as someone that works with trans folks preparing for hormones/surgery, FFS is usually less common compared to other procedures, and is itself a cluster of surgeries that people may choose to do any combination of. Some of those surgeries are less drastic some are pretty intense (graphic warning: basically peeling back a portion of your face from your skull, changing bone and slapping that face back on). The more intense options are understandably not for everyone. FFS (and most other surgeries) usually comes into play after people give hormones a few years to do their thing and see where things end up. Let the canvas stabilize before working on it.

[–] Hyggyldy@sffa.community 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sorry, your post is very informative and I was just making a dumb joke. I find that very interesting and I would imagine, especially based on the other person's response, that FFS is significantly less common.

[–] purahna@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

OHH lmao that's what I get for trying to focus on three things at once, no that's actually hilarious now that I actually read it correctly without my brain doing word swaps

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