politics
Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!
Rules:
- Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.
Example:
- Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
- Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
- No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
- Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
- No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
That's all the rules!
Civic Links
• Congressional Awards Program
• Library of Congress Legislative Resources
• U.S. House of Representatives
Partnered Communities:
• News
view the rest of the comments
You mean saying the people that are championing the banning of books are a threat to free speech?
I mean, I disagree.
No they don't have a right to choose what their children are taught, and I'm sick of people acting like they do. You choosing not to teach your child crucial life skills or fundamental truths because you don't want to, because it's not what you believe, harms your child. It's child abuse and should be treated as such.
No, choosing how to raise your child, even if it deviates from the dominant positions, is a fundamental human right. Child abuse is an extreme situation and does not remotely apply to this.
Cold abuse directly applies to this. You can raise your child in a way that is abusive, and that protection from abuse is more important than your "fundamental human right".
I mean if I decide the way I raise my kid is by locking him in a box for 24 hours as my form of discipline, that would be my right? I mean that's how I chose to raise him. But according to you, that wouldn't have anything to do with child abuse...
Yes, child abuse does exist and to some extent the state has a say in how parents raise their children. But parents get to choose what ideologies, religions, and morals they teach their children, among other things. The state should have very little say other than extreme cases of abuse. Same way you don't tell a random man in Russia how to raise his child, you don't tell your neighbor how to raise his child. Just mind your own business and stop pretending to have the moral high ground.
So let parents fuck up their children and possibly destroy their lives all because "they're my children, I can do what I want", really? They're not toys you can do whatever you like with, it's a life.
I disagree with your claim that it's a right. And would you look at that? So does the UN.
I would agree that gaiting information from a child isn't abusive, but like many things it's not without nuance.
Generally I think it just comes down to under preparing them for life. It's not abusive, but intense cases of it could start approaching neglect. The Wikipedia page for child neglect does mention this:
> Educational/developmental neglect is the failure to provide a child with experiences for necessary growth and development, such as not sending a child to school or educating them.
Unless your child ends up struggling with it gender identity. Then your child is at risk of suicide, like many before then, because they have to hide who they are every day and feel hated.
People are so scared and ignorant about the topic of gender identity. You can't read a book and turn gay. What you can do is let your child know you accept and love them no matter what, and if they happen to be trans you should realize that they're still your child. Nothing changes. You're just telling your child that trans is bad and if you feel that way you're wrong.
People love their children in every country and culture. The counterexamples to this are very rare. The concern that people are abusing their children by neglecting to follow gender ideology is extremely naive.
The fundamental issue with gender/trans ideology is this:
If your male child tells you that he feels like a girl, what do you do?
a. Stop loving him and tell him he is wrong.
b. Tell him he is actually a girl in a boys body, and that he should change his body irreversibly and force other people to also tell him he's a girl, even when they can clearly see that he's not.
c. Continue loving him but insist that he's a boy, and should appreciate the way he was born. He may be an effeminate boy, or a gay boy (he might find out later), but at the end of the day still a boy.
Let me assert that (a) never happens. What do you think is better for the boy in the long run? Having everyone maintain his delusions or learning early on to accept reality?
No counter examples are not rare. Go to a trailer park or the inner city. I've lived in both and there are plenty of parents who don't give a fuck. You sound like you're coming from a place of massive privilege to think that.
Me thinking people are abusing their children because they demonize gender identity is naive, when it causes an increase in suicide in areas that suppress it? You need to do more research, again, what a narrow, privileged mindset.
Lol, I love how massively skewed point B is. There's no middle ground or nuance, we have to give sex changes to children. Jesus man.
And point C is literally telling him his feelings aren't valid and he's wrong. You're telling him to repress who he is, which is why LGBT suicide rates are way higher in religious areas.
You said A never happens. You are dead wrong. I've seen it happen. Do any research on how religious people areas treat this. I know people from both the Mormon faith and Jehovas witnesses that have been fully shunned by their families for being gay or trans. It's literally part of their doctrine. So you saying it never happens is beyond ignorant. You're speaking about things you clearly know very little about, you come across as living in a boomer white suburba where everyone thinks the same and there is no diversity.
Also, you end it all by calling his gender identity a delusion. Going back to the fact that you think being trans is a sickness. Just like people thought being gay was a sickness. It's an ignorant take, like most of your comment. I don't mean that as an insult or to be mean, it literally is ignorant, it's coming from a place of little knowledge on the subject.
Educate yourself, please. Here is one example from this year, you can Google hundreds.
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2023/may/09/jehovahs-witnesses-coming-out-lgbtq
They CAN'T feel certain ways?
How do you know this?
What? I don't understand why this left field comment exists...
So saying you can't know how a child feels about their gender is the same as a person thinking they're a dog? Holy crap this seems like some ignorant boomer shit. Like when people say "gay people want to marry, what's next, marrying a horse!?" No Karen, gender differences are not the same as species differences.
They can't? A boy can't look at girls playing and be drawn to that. To feel more natural presenting as a woman? Because they %100 can.
A child that age shouldn't be making life altering decisions? At what and what decisions. No one is saying a 6 year old needs a sex change.
But you're right, they shouldn't be pressured into viewing the world a certain way at a young age and they don't know better. So I can only assume you're against teaching children about religion. I mean that can have a life long impact and they're too young to know what to believe.
Again, no one is trying to change the sex of a child. But if a 12 year old boy wants to wear a dress, he should be able to. It doesn't harm anyone except by way of bigots attacking him for his choices.
Also I love how you say it can't be proved. Even though you can see suicide rates lower amongst LGBT in areas where they are accepted. And I hate to break it to you, but being queer or trans isn't a choice. You suppressing the way your child feels doesn't change how he identifies. They will just feel more alone and depressed. This leads to the suicide I mentioned.
I lived in Utah, I know what it looks like to see people repressed, depressed, and suicidal. I've seen first hand the damage your mindset does.