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As Reddit's enshittification reaches new heights their attempts to suppress attention for alternatives, like federated Lemmy, has the opposite effect as this Hacker News discussion shows.

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[–] thoro@lemmy.ml 112 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (58 children)

Reading criticisms of Lemmy from Reddit and other platforms like HackerNews reminds me of reading criticisms of Reddit from Digg back in 2007-2010, except they're more based on architecture instead of "it looks ugly".

Now there are things that will turn away users. There's obviously a strong leftist culture here, there are less users so less content, and obviously federation is a stumbling block for many people.

But I really think that's ok similar to what people are saying in that Hacker News thread. I wouldn't want all of Reddit to come over, and I think it's better for the culture and growth here to get a self selected trickle/stream of users instead of a deluge.

I don't think Lemmy will necessarily have the same issues as Mastodon because Twitter/Mastodon requires you to know people or know accounts to follow to be useful. Lemmy just requires communities you're interested in and a critical mass of users to drive posting and engagement. We're already seeing greater activity as more users arrive

[–] humanetech@lemmy.ml 45 points 1 year ago (5 children)

That second comment by goplayoutside says it well: "Maybe the modest technical hurdles are a feature, not a bug."

I think it is a feature, and the same is true for Mastodon and the Fediverse as a whole, imho.

[–] Kichae@kbin.social 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I also see it as a feature. If instances have a natural active user cap, then server-based communities can't get so big as to outpace moderation. And admins have the ability to moderate local users' behaviour on off-site sublemmies by enforcing their own codes of conduct.

The internet used to be small, but expansive. It became big, but concentrated.

I liked the former. I know many people like the latter. Those people are welcome to their corporate slums.

[–] cavemeat@beehaw.org 13 points 1 year ago

I liked the former. I know many people like the latter. Those people are welcome to their corporate slums.

You've worded it well. I think the technical nature of it is to its benefit, and many server may not want to make the signup process easier, for the reasons you mentioned.

[–] animist@allthingstech.social 23 points 1 year ago

@humanetech @thoro I like it because it weeds out the type of people who would end up being low-effort posters, trolls, and spammers.

[–] smartwater0897@lemmy.one 12 points 1 year ago

Very much so. It shares the load, both from a technical point of view but also from moderation and maintenance point of view.

It's actually pretty great, all of this.

[–] wintrparkgrl@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago

While it keeps the willfully ignorant out, it can also keep people with learning disabilities out. Accessibility should always be worked on. That being said, Lemmy is certainly easy to access, Even more so than Mastodon IMHO because Mastodon you have to know people whereas lemmy all you have to do is sign up for a community

[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Problem: organizations pushing a political or commercial agenda will train their agents to overcome modest technical hurdles. Spammers, in particular, will go to extreme lengths to overcome technical hurdles, including hiring people to solve CAPTCHAs.

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Agreed, I remember being shocked about a decade ago learning that there were services run in developing countries where you pay about $1 for 1000 CATPCHA solves for your spam bot to pass along and a person solving it.

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