You can apparently "support Ukraine" by visiting privatization.gov.ua to profiteer off its population's misery
this post was submitted on 30 Dec 2023
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About a year ago I saw billboards saying something like "the only bad thing about investing in Ukraine is not doing it right now" plastered all over my local provincial mall. I'm no advertising professional but I don't suspect random that random Danish shoppers are a very effective demographic for an investment campaign. Either they're desperate, they're massive grifters who are burning as much money as possible before the inevitable downfall or some combination of the two.
But "it's different/it didn't happen" when Ukraine hits maternity centers, shopping malls and kindergartens. Or drops bombs from the drones on civilians, seeing exactly who they hit.
The Western media conveniently leaves out Ukraine shelling the Donbass over the last several years
26 civilians? That's what the illegal zionist entity kills on a slow afternoon.
And now let us remember how the UA places its troops in schools and civilian housing all the time...
This is a bad thing
although the media attention and scope is quite skewed, and this is doubtless going to be used as propaganda for ukraine to kill russian civs.
But this is an attack that has killed citizens, further burning a land once united and deepening the divide between them. This war is both the final revenge of the Soviet Union, and the final nail of its coffin.
Interestingly enough look on lemmy world news, libs there were like "Russia genocides Ukrainians by the millions" for two years, and now they are "30 killed in biggest attack in the war".
Lemmy.world is the worst parts of reddit lol
That was by the way posted by the most veteran of lemmy libs pingveno, who then proceed to show that his reading comprehension somhow went even worse since the reddit invasion, and who also straight up posted this gem
and promptly got 3 day ban for tokenizing Jews (no nazis under Jewish president etc.) in other post.
One of our admins, I think it was comrade Criticalresist, called Lemmy.world "reddit 2.0" in their post where they announced that Lemmy.world had defederated from us
I'd point out Ukraine already kills Russian civilians. Already conducts terrorist attacks and feels fully justified in doing so because they are blood-thirsty, monstrous fascists being pushed to do something for the even stronger fascists their US masters. You have liberals in the US calling all Russians orcs, celebrating Russian tourists being killed in shark attacks. Ukraine is already fully unhinged, fully committed to terror tactics and will grow so even more so as their conventional forces fail and evaporate as the US demands punishment on Russian bodies and they don't give a fuck if those bodies are civilians or not. The propaganda for dehumanizing Russians has already reached its zenith, it can't go higher. They've staged false flag massacres, claimed all kinds of atrocities committed by Russians in areas they briefly occupied, and the western imagination does the rest.
More propaganda is not needed. If civilians were not incidentally killed, they would stage fake massacres as in 'Bucha' (sp?) or wherever that was. It's in other words irrelevant to propaganda.
thats what i said
doesn't mean im going to cheer when it hits noncombatants in ukraine. This doesn't mean I support the Nazi supporting Ukraine state, but I cannot look at this and think its a good or right thing. A fault of their own actions, maybe.
this whole thing is a mess
Also we should be careful and not quick to accept western bourgeois propaganda press and their version of events. Let us not forget how dishonest they are and this is their dishonesty plus the plausible deniability of just repeating whatever the Kiev regime says, so if later it comes out that it isn't true, they're off the hook completely.
Here is RT on the incident, no less credible:
https://www.rt.com/russia/589951-ukraine-kill-civilians-un/
Ukrainian air defenses kill civilians – Moscow
*Rather than intercepting Russian missiles, Kiev’s Western-provided systems hit apartment blocks, Russia’s envoy to the UN said *
Ukrainian air defense missiles were responsible for civilian casualties during Russia’s recent bombardment of Ukrainian military sites, Russia’s permanent representative to the UN, Vassily Nebenzia, claimed on Friday. Were it not for the “Nazi regime’s” malfunctioning missiles, there would have been no civilian deaths, Nebenzia added.
Russia unleashed a wave of missile and drone strikes across Ukraine in the early hours of Friday morning. According to the Russian Defense Ministry, the “massive” barrage targeted defense industry sites, military airfields, arms depots, and troop positions, including concentrations of foreign mercenaries.
Ukraine claimed that 30 civilians were killed and 160 wounded in the attacks, and Kiev called for an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council in response. During the meeting, Britain’s permanent representative to the UN, Barbara Woodward, accused Russia of targeting civilians and stated that there would have been fewer casualties if Ukraine had more air defense systems.
“It is hard to imagine greater cynicism,” Nebenzia responded. “But for the work of Ukrainian air defenses, there would have been simply no civilian casualties.”
Nebenzia showed the Security Council video footage of a burning missile falling onto an apartment block in Kiev. “An impact missile does not fly at such a speed and along such a trajectory,” he explained. “Obviously, this is the consequence of the work of Ukrainian air defense.”
Another photo shared by Nebenzia showed a residential building in Lviv peppered with small craters, caused by the submunitions that air defense missiles – when working properly – expel in order to detonate incoming missiles mid-flight.
“The Nazi regime is ready to kill not only the inhabitants of Donbas with Western weapons and the same air defense missiles, but also kill its own citizens in their homes,” he declared.
Ukraine’s air defense batteries – a mix of Soviet-era and Western-provided systems – have malfunctioned in this manner on countless occasions during the conflict, most notably when a Ukrainian missile veered off course into eastern Poland last November and killed two farmers.
Ukraine responded to Friday’s barrage by firing banned cluster munitions at civilian targets in the Russian city of Belgorod on Saturday, killing at least 18 people, including two children. Russia has called an emergency meeting of the security council, and has insisted that the Czech representative attend, as Czech rockets were allegedly used to deliver the deadly munitions.
The Russian Ministry of Defense said on Saturday that the “criminal” attack on Belgorod “will not go unpunished.”
Interestingly enough I remember earlier in the conflict someone did an analysis that showed a Ukrainian apartment block they claimed Russia hit could only have been hit by Ukrainian air defenses so this would not be the first time. We must also remember the Polish provocation where two Poles in Poland died after a munition landed, Ukraine immediately blamed Russia and hopped up and down for Article 5 and Poland responding but it turned out it was one of their own anti-air missiles and it was swept under the rug there-after.
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Do you have any sources pointing to the staged massacre in Bucha?
they didn't need propaganda to shell people in donbass for 8 years
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This is really sad what happened to the innocents tbh. That being said, I will never forget the Alley of Angels. Everyone who points at this event but says nothing about Alley of Angels is a liar who doesn’t care about people dying, just certain people dying.
what exactly is ur take here? this is a bad thing, its fucked up that Russia targets civilians sometimes, worse things happening elsewhere doesnt mean that this is ok or that we shouldn't care, or that we should be disrespectful of civilians dying.
this is a disturbing thing to post, as in its disturbing that ur reaction to 26 civilians being murdered in a war is to laugh at it, that is psychopath shit.
More than 26 civilians are murdered every day in Gaza (actually around 300) and Biden just went around congress to give Israel more weapons.
Hence "muh white people!" It's all about the color of the victim's skin.
The continued censorship of the fake school genocide of the Indian Residential fake Schools from 1850s to 1998 (and after 1998 in secret) compared to the Nazi Holocaust which is a cheap imitation of the Indian Residential fake schools further prove the racist hypocrisies of Western European diaspora. The Western European diaspora continued to cover their crimes against humanity by lying that the fake school holocaust with the human trafficking, child enslavement, unethical human experimentations, inheritence thief, rampart violence, rampart rapes, psychopathic tortures, and unrestrained mass murders are simple "cultural genocide" or that the reparation for war crimes are "free money".
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Stop spewing liberal propaganda. You'd think people here would know better by now. There is no evidence Russia deliberately targeted civilians.
We know from the past that Ukrainians deliberately park military assets near civilian infrastructure like schools, malls, etc so even if the maternity center and kindergarten aren't lies it's very likely they were hit incidentally after the Ukro-nazis used them as shields with the deliberate intent of making sure Russians killed civilians so they could sob about it.
The whole war is a bad thing. Fascists seizing power in 2014 is a bad thing, the break-up of the Soviet Union was a bad thing, etc.
But I'd like to point out that with Ukraine's "fall of Berlin" level of mass conscription, Russian soldiers firing on Ukrainian soldiers is killing people who were only recently civilians and didn't choose to be on the front lines but were kidnapped and put there with Neo-Nazi blocking units (and US supplied intelligence and overwatch) preventing them from fleeing their posts. And these are people who have for months, a year been prevented from fleeing the conflict zone by their own government desperate to keep canon fodder around by shutting the borders, thus placing them in danger. Obviously you probably wouldn't say that's as wrong as civilians being incidentally killed in missile strikes but both were chosen by the Ukrainians not the Russians who desperately, with all their might and vigor tried to find peace out of this even if it meant not getting all their goals repeatedly but were rejected in favor of being bled in an attempt to destroy and humiliate Russia and its people.
The blood of any dead Ukrainian civilians (including those pressed into uniform for use as canon fodder) is not the fault of Russia but of the US and the fascist puppet leadership in Kiev and I will continually point this out and scream about this mischaracterization which is in fact regurgitating western propaganda. The blood is entirely on their not Russian hands. In a strategy where the flailing puppet regime is demanded by it's American masters to fight to the last Ukrainian it's an unusual situation.
I feel badly for the Russian soldiers who've died and I feel badly for the Ukrainian conscripts (to a lesser degree given they watched fascism rise and did nothing or abetted it), but this happens in war against these types. A war Russia did not choose. A war they gave multiple off-ramps to. A defensive war against imperialist aggression and encroachment by swastika and SS symbol sporting fascists as the tip of the NATO spear aimed at Russia's belly.
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We laugh at USA FUCKING EMBASSY writing this hypocrisy fest when their multiple wars are just mass murder shock and awe indiscrimiate bombings complete with double-tapping rescuers as if they wanted the world to see how evil they are.
I think ... maybe...
Civilians injured in Ukraine gets the US Ambassador to say, "Hey, support Ukraine!"
Civilians injured in the Palestinian territories but there are no US Ambassador's tweeting, 'Hey support Palestine!"
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Russia targets civilians
If Russia was targeting civilians there would be a lot more civilian casualties. Russia fired over a hundred missiles and who knows how many more drones, and even according to the numbers put out by the Ukrainian authorities which are highly untrustworthy they have killed less than "Israel" does with a single bomb. And it's not because Russia is bad at killing, it's because unlike the Ziofash they are not trying to mass murder civilians
Just a cursory glance at the total civilian casualties over the course of this entire conflict shows that Russia has gone out of its way to avoid harming civilians whenever possible. In no other modern conflict has the ratio of civilian to military casualties been this low. This is just an objective fact, look it up. And a hell of a lot of those civilian casualties have been people in the Russian annexed territories, in frontline cities which are still being regularly shelled by Ukraine, most of the time for no apparent reason other than to terrorize the population.
ur reaction [...] Is to laugh at it
Nobody here is laughing, this entire war is a tragedy that didn't need to happen. These civilian casualties are also highly tragic, all the more so since many of them are likely due to Ukrainian AD missiles missing and hitting residential areas. We have had ample video of such misfires in the past, but none of actual Russian strikes being purposely aimed at civilian targets except on the very rare occasion when there was undeniable evidence of concentration of high value military assets there.
And before any dumbass even tries to draw some asinine and morally bankrupt comparison to what is happening in Gaza, may i remind you that Ukraine's territory is over ten thousand times the size of Gaza. They have plenty of empty fields and forests to park their equipment in - they don't need to be putting their military assets inside cities right next to or sometimes inside civilian objects! For the Kiev regime that is a choice; a deliberate one.
What the Zionist propagandists falsely accuse Hamas of doing is what the AFU is actually doing: using human shields and then cynically using their deaths regardless which side was responsible for them for propaganda purposes.
I am not saying Ukrainian should die but it's the audacity of a US ambassador to post about Ukraine and not Gaza
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"Ur"
Y u do dis?
21 Russian civilians killed from just 1 Ukraine attack in Belgorod after this. You can draw the comparisons to the results 158 missiles Russia did.
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Millions can die in the Middle East and no one bats an eye, but a few dozen white civillians are murdered in a European War and suddenly we're on a divine mission to retaliate.
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