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Hamas tried to sneak its fighters out of the Gaza Strip in ambulances that evacuated dozens of wounded Palestinians to Egypt earlier this week, a senior Biden administration official said Friday.

Hamas had compiled a list of the seriously wounded that it wanted to evacuate from Gaza for treatment in Egypt, along with thousands of foreign nationals looking to flee the enclave.

The list was then vetted by Egypt and the United States, which found that a third of the names on it were of Hamas fighters, the administration official said, adding that the list was rejected and none of the 76 wounded Palestinians who were ultimately evacuated in ambulances out of Gaza were members of the terror group.

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[–] LazyBane@lemmy.world 51 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Isn't it convenient how every time the US or Israel bombs civilians they automatically know they we're secretly terrorists the whole time?

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 9 points 10 months ago

Ya it's like they're using the multiple billions of dollars we've invested in spy satellites and other technologies to track people against Hamas or something....

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[–] Marsupial@quokk.au 40 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Oh so they just have a big list of every Hamas member and can vette them from name alone?

[–] Garbanzo@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ahmad Awad? Yeah, sorry bud, there's a couple hundred of you on the list.

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[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Really shameful that the US is aiding and abetting genocide.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

I’m sure Hamas would slaughter the Israelis if they got the chance—oh wait they are. Both sides of the coin is genocide.

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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 36 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Why not just let them through? Arrest them on the other side. They're terrorists right? Arresting them and giving them a trial shouldn't be an issue. They're vulnerable when they cross the border

Actually: why not let memebers of Hamas surrender themselves at the border? If it's a war, accepting voluntary POWs should be a net positive

[–] LaLiLuLuCo@sh.itjust.works 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Israel doesn't operate the Egypt side and Egypt wants to not be an active participant beyond maintaining the crossing. They especially don't want to run a PoW camp.

Working with the IDF directly to transfer prisoners to them would probably start shit in Egypt Sisi doesn't want to start as it would be seen as entering the war I guess. Iran backed Houthi rebels in Yemen are already doing War Crimes on Egyptian hospitals for their current stance.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago

Well, hopefully they instead just stay where they are, and being grievously wounded, die from them. Unfortunately some will probably survive to keep fighting.

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[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 25 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Why not allow them to pass and then arrest them at the border? Surely better than bombing random buildings that may or may not have Hamas fighters inside.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 16 points 10 months ago

Doing that would prompt Hamas to stop cooperating with allowing civilians to seek medical assistance outside of Gaza.

Literally every humanitarian thing Hamas permits it does so with the intention of funneling benefits to its own fighters and members.

It's the same problem as African warlords intercepting and sitting on medical aid intended for impoverished villagers.

[–] LaLiLuLuCo@sh.itjust.works 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

Also allowing a war crime (using ambulances to transport fighters and/or arms) and defending it like this emboldens them to continue doing it to the detriment of civilians since they won't face consequences.

[–] lingh0e@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago

So, blow up buildings that MIGHT have actual terrorists but also DEFINITELY have civilians is the better course of action?

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[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

Egypt doesn't want to deal with that. That's actually why what were reticent at first to help and why neighboring Arab countries won't take refugees. Radical militants have snuck in with Palestinian refugees before and caused civil wars. They even killed the King of Jordan in what was eventually called Black September.

[–] LaLiLuLuCo@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

Reposting.

Israel doesn't operate the Egypt side and Egypt wants to not be an active participant beyond maintaining the crossing. They especially don't want to run a PoW camp.

Working with the IDF directly to transfer prisoners to them would probably start shit in Egypt Sisi doesn't want to start as it would be seen as entering the war I guess. Iran backed Houthi rebels in Yemen are already doing War Crimes on Egyptian hospitals for their current stance.

[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 23 points 10 months ago (12 children)

Why not arrest them then, if they have proof of being terrorists?

[–] LaLiLuLuCo@sh.itjust.works 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Reposting.

Israel doesn't operate the Egypt side and Egypt wants to not be an active participant beyond maintaining the crossing. They especially don't want to run a PoW camp.

Working with the IDF directly to transfer prisoners to them would probably start shit in Egypt Sisi doesn't want to start as it would be seen as entering the war I guess. Iran backed Houthi rebels in Yemen are already doing War Crimes on Egyptian hospitals for their current stance.

Also allowing a war crime (using ambulances to transport fighters and/or arms) and defending it like this emboldens them to continue doing it to the detriment of civilians since they won't face consequences.

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 3 points 10 months ago

It's an active warzone.

[–] 5BC2E7@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

2 / 3 palestinians in gaza support hamas. They won’t arrest them.

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[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I understand the skepticism, but this is where it's good to know your history. Radical militants have snuck in with Palestinian refugees before in the past. This has happened before.

It's why Egypt was so reticent to accept refugees. These radicals have snuck in and caused civil strife. They even killed the King of Jordan, in what's called Black September. This is why neighboring Arab countries aren't taking in refugees either.

Hamas is utterly evil.

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[–] Maeve@kbin.social 14 points 10 months ago
[–] stella@lemm.ee 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Forgive me if I don't take everything the US says on the matter at face value.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 25 points 10 months ago

It was a joint verification with Egypt

[–] SirToxicAvenger@lemm.ee 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

aka terrorists do terrorist things

[–] LaLiLuLuCo@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Turns out a lot of people on the left think the jihadist shit that hurts civilians is justified because their side is oppressed.

It's disgusting and perpetuates the cycle of violence. Before the current war things were improving. Israelis were fighting hard to remove Netanyahu from power, including the military (air force) striking.

Edit: No one cares about the Israelis (Including the 20% Arab citizen pop) entering the west bank at the risk of being murdered to defend Olive picking workers from Israeli settlers and IDF clowns who disgrace their uniforms.

[–] steventhedev@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Also trying to smuggle in military supplies in humanitarian aid:

Meanwhile, two senior Israeli officials told The Times of Israel that Israeli inspectors earlier this week uncovered several oxygen concentrators meant to aerate the tunnels operated by terror organizations in Gaza.

“These weren’t for use in the hospitals, but below them. That’s why they were smuggled among boxes of cookies,” one of the senior Israeli officials said, adding that the entire truck in which the oxygen concentrators were found was barred from entering Gaza.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I mean, how do they know where they're meant to be used? If Gazans can't get oxygen concentrators legally they're very much right to smuggle them.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

The Israeli source was trying to claim these have no medical use but a quick Google search reveals that indeed they are mostly used for medical reasons and can be found in hospitals or at the homes of patients.

[–] halfempty@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago (4 children)

This explanation sounds too flimsy to believe. Seems more like a cover story after the fact for the insane bombing of hospitals and a caravan of ambulances within a clear pattern of overall genocide.

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 17 points 10 months ago

It's not like Hamas hasn't been caught using ambulances to smuggle military goods around before.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

I can believe this happens without condoning just bombing the shit out of any group of ambulances because they might contain fighters.

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