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Tlaib refuses to apologize for blaming Israel for Gaza hospital blast, attacks Biden (abcnews.go.com)

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Democratic Rep. Rashida Tlaib refused to apologize Wednesday for saying on Tuesday that Israel is to blame for the hospital explosion that day in Gaza, an accusation that sparked political backlash against her from Republicans as Israel denies fault.

Tlaib joined thousands of protesters calling for a ceasefire in Gaza during a solidarity rally hosted by the left-leaning group Jewish Voice for Peace at the National Mall. She was visibly emotional, at times pausing her speech to openly weep and criticizing lawmakers who have not backed a ceasefire resolution.

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[–] MamboGator@lemmy.world 206 points 1 year ago (97 children)

"Who bombed the hospital" is the wrong thing for people to fight over. It doesn't matter who did it. Supporting either "side" that's fighting is wrong.

You can condemn Hamas's attack on civilians without supporting the IDF or Israel's treatment of Palestinians.

You can condemn Israel's attacks on Gaza without being an antisemite or supporting Hamas.

People who have no say in the matter are suffering and dying because two "sides" have been unable to figure out a co-habitation situation for decades. Everyone focusing on which side did what is already on the wrong side. If you're for either side you're actually for the war and against the civilians.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Glad to see somebody that gets it. If one side intentionally slaughters civilians, does the other side get a free pass to do the same? Palestine deserves to be free, but how many civilian adults and children in both Palestine and Israel should be sacrificed upon the altar of war to get it? 500,000? 1,000,000? If someone claims to care about the people and not just the outcome, the answer should be zero. Period. Doesn't matter which side.

Accepting this stance doesn't magically fix the problem in the middle east, like so many trolls are glib to point out, but you can condemn the actions of Hamas and Israel without having a solution to their "thousand year grudge" (which starts with a ceasefire, anyway). I may not know how to fix things, but I know that what's happening is wrong, and that's at least better than the people who think, "[My chosen side] is justified killing [opposing side's] civilians, because they had it done to them!"

Fuck. That.

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[–] Copernican@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

I think it's fair criticism . At the very least walk back and reserve judgement until there's more conclusive evidence. But I think until there's better evidence, there should be more respect given to the US intelligence community. It was not long ago trump was criticized for accepting foreign intelligence over the US intelligence community. I think it's fair to criticize tlaib for this as well.

And the thing is, the blame of who bombed the hospital isn't critical to advocating for peace, criticizing unproportial Israeli response, or other pro Palestine messaging.

[–] hydro033@kbin.social 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Here is the available evidence: https://www.npr.org/2023/10/18/1206795861/heres-the-available-evidence-of-what-happened-at-al-ahli-arab-hospital-in-gaza

[–] nadram@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

This is the best I've read on the subject

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[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But I think until there’s better evidence, there should be more respect given to the US intelligence community

The US intelligence community isn't an objective organization with a mission to inform US citizens of what's really going on in the world. Anything they release is at the direction of political actors and intended to cause some effect. They can be good at their jobs and their released information is still inherently untrustworthy.

[–] Copernican@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

So what is the unbiased source that investigated this faster than the US Intelligence community that was not directly involved in the current conflict?

Yes, there are blemishes on the US Intelligence's history. But a US Politician should have a little more deference you the US Intelligence Community.

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Its easy and understandable to fall for initial disinformation, but after facts come out sticking to those lies becomes malicious.

[–] Pipoca@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago (5 children)

From the article:

"Our office cited an AP report yesterday that the IDF had hit a Baptist hospital in Gaza. Since then, the IDF denied responsibility and the US intelligence assessment is that this was not done by Israel," she wrote. "It is a reminder that information is often unreliable and disputed in the fog of war (especially on Twitter where misinformation is rampant). We all have a responsibility to ensure information we are sharing is from credible sources and to acknowledge as new reports come in."

Omar called for a "fully independent investigation to determine conclusively who is responsible for this war crime."

It sounds like she acknowledges Israel probably isn't behind it, but also isn't apologizing for her initial remarks like some Republicans were calling for. The story should probably mention that higher up and more explicitly, rather than burying the lede.

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[–] Arfman@aussie.zone 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The US DOD should find the munitions expert who made that bomb with such limited budget seeing how powerful it is and teach the Ukrainian military how to do something similar

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[–] VantaBrandon@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So they are not believing the Pentagon's assessment? Or just don't care and going with feels instead?

[–] Fufu29@feddit.de 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Pentagon also said Iraq had Weapon of Mass Destruction 🤷‍♂️

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Also said Russia was going to invade Ukraine, and people were skeptical of it for the exact same argument.

Sometimes they're right. You can't take them as an absolute authority nor always lying. In the broader context, with analysis that other independent groups have done, it seems to me they're telling the truth here.

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[–] VantaBrandon@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

True, but different time, different administration, different circumstances. Just because a government lied once doesn't necessarily mean everything they say in the future is a lie, but certainly should be taken with a grain of salt.

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[–] AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I definitely trust the pentagon not to have a motive to lie about it. After all, they've proven to be trustworthy in the past! You gotta support the veterans, they never lie!

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[–] skhayfa@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (19 children)

There's no reason to apologize, if Isreal is so adamant to prove it's innocence let an international investigation open. But they won't because like for the killing of the journalist Shereen AbuAkleh they are guilty.

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

There's a link above to NPR with the (Al Jazeera?) footage of the missile failing and part of it hitting the parking lot

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[–] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Who? For the lazy. She's Palestinian as well so the bias is understandable.

A member of the Democratic Party, Tlaib represented districts 6 and 12, respectively, in the Michigan House of Representatives before her election to Congress.[3] In 2018, she won the Democratic nomination for the United States House of Representatives in Michigan's 13th congressional district. She ran unopposed in the general election and became the first woman of Palestinian descent in Congress, the first Muslim woman to serve in the Michigan legislature, and one of the first two Muslim women elected to Congress (the other being Ilhan Omar).[4][5][6] Tlaib is a member of The Squad, an informal group of six (four until the 2020 elections) U.S. representatives on the left wing of the Democratic Party.[7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashida_Tlaib

The hospital attack was a failed rocket by Islamic Jihad coming from Gaza toward Israel.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/live-updates/israel-gaza-live-updates/biden-says-gaza-hospital-explosion-done-by-the-other-team-as-netanyahu-thanks-biden-for-unprecedented-level-of-cooperation-104064882?id=104049894

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/biden-reinforces-support-during-israel-visit-as-hospital-explosion-further-inflames-rage

https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-heads-middle-east-inflamed-by-gaza-hospital-blast-2023-10-18/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVH2zBO-EqI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kaRHeJzIr8