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Oh lawdy! Now all those sincere genuine people screeching genocide joe are gonna accuse him of being Hamas.
I respect that there honestly are no really good decisions to be made. From the fucked up situation decades of western interference and complicity have created. So worried about losing that foothold in the region and not being able to fulfill obligations to other allies. That they handle a butcher with kid gloves and undeserved diplomacy. It's nice to see the administration make a decent start of a move finally. After so many self inflicted injuries.
Though we really need to cut Bibi loose. I bet we could find other footholds in the region if we stop actively antagonizing it.
The supporters of genocide cannot imagine that anyone actually opposes genocide, so instead they assume that all opposition is astroturfing.
I think they’re talking about people on the right. They’re never sincere.
I'm talking about all the people that disingenuously demean what it means to actually support genocide. Left and right. Including the person you responded to. Don't get me wrong. Biden committed an extremely bone-headed unforced error. That anyone could have told him would blow up in his face. There is nothing he could do to get Bibi to listen.
No one that accuses Biden or any of the other progressives of supporting genocide is being genuine or sincere. They are being drama queens and simply alienating their allies. There's no end of things to criticize Biden for without making things up. And people win no points for it.
You mean... apart from cutting Israel off from the massive arms supplies the US has been supplying Israel with since the 70s?
Which would not have actually stopped. What was going on. This is what I'm talking about overly simplistic unrealistic reasoning and expectations. I agree that he should not have sent them.
Part of the problem is, and I agree we should ditch it. That Israel is our most important military foothold in the region. It's why he feels so obligated to give netanyahu unwarranted diplomacy. And also causing a lot of antagonism in the region.
Yes. It would have stopped it. Israel wouldn't last a week without US support. It's a client state - no different than Saudi Arabia.
And since when do you require a "foothold in the region?" Do tell... how has a thousand dead Palestinians, Iraqis or Afghans made your life better this week?
Since oil and cars.
Thank you for confirming that you can't imagine anyone opposing genocide.
I'm opposed to genocide. I simply try not to act like a child when discussing these things. I don't deny that Biden has done some stupid shit regarding this. And that he's not helped the situation. But no one could genuinely say he supports genocide at the same time he's actually trying to stop the genocide. Even with the patently stupid moves he's made.
Thank you for proving my point that you have no genuine point. And are only here to cause drama.
I'm not buying it, since you are more upset at people who don't like genocide than you are at Biden for supporting it.
Stupid shit like circumventing congress to sell weapons to Netanyahu that he knew would be used for genocide? Stupid shit like going to bat for Netanyahu at the UN? That "stupid shit" looks exactly like what it is: support for genocide.
And if he were actually trying to stop the genocide, that would mean something. He's not. There are no conditions on aid to Netanyahu, and we're still running interference for his genocidal regime at the UN.
Personally, I don't care if you buy it. You're not a serious or sincere person. Or anyone whose opinion anyone should care about.
Neither am I more upset at disingenuous people like yourself than I am what Biden did. I appreciate that you have to keep railing against straw men. I didn't think you would stop at just Biden. It is somewhat lamentable though that we cannot have actual adult conversations about these sort of things because of behavior like yours. Quite honestly, I would like to see an end to the conflict and a depredication of Israel as a military base/foothold for the United States. The actual thing Biden supports by the way. It is not worth the loss of life and bad reputation it rightfully gives us in the region.
But hey you are free to continue to alienate people who more or less agree with you if you want. Just saying. I agree with you on probably a ton of things. But virtue signaling is more important to you than actual problem solving. I get that. Sometimes I'm even guilty of it.
You won't even admit it's a genocide, and you accuse me of being disingenuous.
It's astounding how quickly Democrats start pulling shit from the Republican phrasebook.
Biden should not be supporting genocide. He needs to stop.
Because there is a conflict, doesn't mean there isn't a genocide. If you were genuinely wanting to discuss or have a reasonable discussion about this, you could have looked around anywhere and see that I regularly ever referred to it as a genocide.
And nice straw man. Calling me a Democrat LOL. I regret that Democrats are often the best I get to vote for. But I'm far from a Democrat. Much closer to a social libertarian /anarco communist.
Nvm
I am a progressive. I am also vocal in my opposition to genocide.
For this, I have been called a Trumpist, Russian, Chinese, a tankie, a Republican, a shill, a bot, a moron, a child, and a fascist.
As far as I'm concerned, they're talking about everyone who opposes genocide.
He’s trying to do the bare minimum to bring people back to his side while still allowing the weapons to flow.
Not sure if sarcasm or not, but PotUS != King of America.
Going hard against Israel isn't a real option for him politically.
Neither is not going hard enough.
You guys have to choose which camp you want and focus on that group and leave everybody else alone
They were criticizing him for not sending in the Marines in trucks to blow through Israeli forces and start even more trouble. Lemmy is full of disingenuous idiots.
Decades of US policy have driven us to this point. We've made enemies of Muslim nations because we had Christian whackos running everything. The only countries that like us are ones who want our money or our weapons. Sadly, nothing is going to change overnight.
Bibi is a warmonger and should stand trial. If Israel had rational leadership they could have kept the bloodthirsty part of their population in check.
"They were criticizing him for not sending in the Marines in trucks to blow through Israeli forces and start even more trouble. Lemmy is full of disingenuous idiots."
Nobody said this. No effort strawmans aren't how you prove genocide is ok :p
In fairness, it's impossible to prove that genocide is ok, because genocide is never ok. So all he has left are the no effort strawmen.
It's not just people here.
The article says nothing at all like that. The closest thing anyone in it says is that dropping supplies isn't enough and we should do more to end Israel's offensive. Why are you making shit up? What's the point in pretending anyone has said what you're claiming they're saying? You haven't seen anyone say it, yet you act like have. What's the goal with this particular strawman?
How about instead of downvoting you actually show me a single instance of people saying the US needs to attack Israel? Surely you can find at least one case of this thing that people are supposedly saying? Maybe I just missed it in the article and you could quote it for me
I'm sure you read every single post on every community. It couldn't possibly be that there are a bunch of dumbasses who don't understand politics and suggest dumb stuff.
So link to it.
It's not just people here.
It's not people here at all, which is why you had to deflect to an article.
An article that also doesn't say a thing about sending in the Marines like you claimed.