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Whoopi Goldberg argued on “The View” that millennials feel that raising a family and buying a house are out of reach because they simply aren’t working hard enough.

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[–] alquicksilver@lemmy.world 160 points 8 months ago (3 children)

“I’m sorry — if you only want to work four hours, it’s going to be harder for you to get a house,” she said

What a joke. I spent the better part of the last three years working 70 hour weeks until I burned myself to a crisp. I'm much better off financially than many people my age, yet I am somehow still years away from homeownership and starting a family - if I ever can.

Maybe Whoopi should retire and let a millennial do her job for her pay. Not me; I don't think I'd be able to work as hard as her. 🙄

I wish famous people would just shut up if they're going to say stupid shit. I don't want her tainting my TNG rewatch.

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 59 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Who the fuck does she know that only works four hours?

Even if wages kept up with inflation, housing prices sure as hell have not. The house I own sold for $62k back in 1988 which is about $163k today. We bought it for well over twice that eight years ago. We could probably sell it for $600k. It is one of the cheaper houses in the city. How the fuck are people starting out supposed to afford that? I get that she has little concept of housing prices anymore but you would think worry her growing up in public housing, she would be a little more sympathetic to people having a hard time. But I guess she is taking the "fuck you, I got mine route."

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 36 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The only person she knows that works 4 hours/week is herself.

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[–] Poggervania@kbin.social 35 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I don’t want her tainting my TNG rewatch.

That’s when you learn to separate the art from the artist. Gunian has some rather wise words to say; Whoopi says some banal shit at times.

[–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I dunno... I could actually see guinan spouting off some bullshit about hard work

"You know, that lt barclay spends all his time on the holodeck.. If he worked a little harder in engineering, he could afford a.... Oh wait, we live in a post-scarcity society. He already has all has basic needs met."

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[–] jonne@infosec.pub 21 points 8 months ago

You sure you couldn't just talk bullshit for like an hour every weekday? I do that shit for free now.

[–] M500@lemmy.ml 117 points 8 months ago (8 children)

I’d love for someone to just once elaborate on this.

What does it mean to work harder? More hours? Work harder at my current job?

Most people would not be allowed to work at their job for more hours due to overtime limits. Some jobs won’t let people work a second job.

If I work harder at my current job, what’s going to happen? Will they be grateful and just pay me more or will they create a position to promote me?

I don’t get what that means.

[–] oyo@lemm.ee 62 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It means get off your lazy ass and quit that dead end job. Start your own business selling chia underwear. You can't afford the startup costs? Just get a couple mil loan from your dad.

[–] riquisimo@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

Man I've got all this chia underwear, is that what I'm supposed to be doing with it?

[–] stella@lemm.ee 43 points 8 months ago (2 children)

You wanna know the real answer? Take advantage of others. Cheat, steal, lie, do whatever it takes to get ahead.

Once you have money, you immediately become one of the 'hard workers.' Without it, you'll always be seen as a lazy bum who only has themselves to blame for their position in life.

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[–] wetnoodle@sopuli.xyz 23 points 8 months ago

Funniest thing is, probably anyone making minimum wage is working harder than woopi shitberg ever has

[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm a high-school teacher in Italy, if I wanted to work a second I would have to ask my principal for permission (and there are lota of jobs that are forbidden, anyway). If I wanted to work more at my high-school job, those activities would be paid next year, if I'm lucky.

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[–] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 106 points 8 months ago (3 children)

As someone who falls into this category, yes I have a mortgage, yes I have kids, yes it's insanely hard to juggle it all and keep your head above water... I have worked hard since 15 years old with only 2 times since having longer than 2 weeks off consecutively and I just turned 40. My job is fair, but can have long hours, on call, and work on weekends. The salary seems great, but where I live, plus being 2023 it just barely cuts it. As it is now I can get by, but my future for retirement looks pretty bleak right now. My wife has a decade old student loan that's $500 a month and interest has basically kept it there and I have no way to afford paying over that amount which even if I did would still take 10 more years to possibly pay it off so this loan is for life.

So stagnant wages, student loan debt, rising costs on everything, no programs to help middle class, and finally the need for services or certifications that appear to be needed more and more for everything which also takes your money. If I can barely get by I don't want to see how people less fortunate seem to do it... I honestly think about what if I didn't have kids probably weekly because it seems like the better decision for survival. It's messed up that you can do everything right yet still feel so close to failure at any given emergency. So screw her and her so called "hard life". People our age do deserve better and more needs to be done to help. You know how much of a difference it would make if we had free daycare like some other countries? That's just one thing and it would turn my life around tremendously. There is so much that can be done, but it never does.

[–] alphapuggle@programming.dev 66 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Idk man sounds like you're just not working hard like Whoopi is.

Have you tried making coffee at home??

[–] FoundTheVegan@kbin.social 34 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Lay off the avocado toast!

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[–] RedBike23@lemmy.world 39 points 8 months ago

I turn 40 next month and I've done everything right and I'm BARELY keeping up.

I got good grades in school. I did as much community college as I could and then my parents paid for the rest of my bachelor's. I worked hard at my jobs. I put myself through school for another degree so I could move up (and paid for it out of my savings, no loans). I had two kids and went back to work. I paid the crippling $3k a month to have them in daycare. I moved closer family to get their help after school. I drive a modest car and I live in a modest house. I have no vices - no drugs, no alcohol, no gambling. I cook my own food and do my own cleaning. I worked a "side hustle" for most of my 20s and early 30s (writing, making maybe 500-1k a month). I've saved everything I didn't spend on rent, food, and utilities. I've never bought a coffee, or traveled outside the US, or traveled much at all. I am in good health. I married a good partner, and he's a software engineer with no debt.

I literally did everything right, and yet we are behind on savings, we can't afford to repair anything but the absolute essentials on our home, and we're counting the days until we write our last daycare check so we can start... saving for college.

It's hard not to think that shelling out over $140k to the daycare over the past 7 years didn't have something to do with it.

And then there are my 79-year-old parents, watching my husband and I run this treadmill, and scratching their heads in wonder. We have so much less than they did at my age, and yet we have two incomes! How are we not living in absolute luxury?!

What a different world they lived in. Sometimes, when I feel like feeling bad, I remember that my dad's pension pays him more every month than I earn doing my 40 hour a week software developer job. A pension! Imagine being paid while not even working.

(It was definitely the kids that did us in - I often think about how much more secure we would be without the daycare costs.)

[–] Potatisen@lemmy.world 30 points 8 months ago

I have worked hard since 15 years old with only 2 times since having longer than 2 weeks off consecutively and I just turned 40.

Holy Fuck! That sounds like a nightmare. How do you accept everything happening around you?

[–] vividspecter@lemm.ee 104 points 8 months ago (1 children)

“Every generation is told, ‘You’re gonna do worse than your parents,’

What? The historical expectation is that every generation will be better off than the last. That hasn't held in recent years, which is a problem.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 54 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If you're raking in easy TV pundit money, you're going to get out of touch real quick. That's why watching TV is just so weird these days. It's all millionaires that haven't held a normal job in decades saying we're just not working hard enough.

[–] Zahille7@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago

Tbh it's mainly why I watch YouTube nowadays...

[–] Stern@lemmy.world 77 points 8 months ago

Millennials are coming up on FORTY. We are starting to show up regularly in congress. We can run for president. We have survived multiple economic crises, the world falling apart around us, and have seen the ladders our forebears climbed pulled up behind them.

There aren't enough hours in the week to afford the American dream anymore. Every starter home is being bought by multi-nationals for far more then we have to rent back to us for far too much of our paycheck. That paycheck still hasn't gone up (despite our company having a banner year and giving massive bonuses to the chiefs) because we bought into the idea that our company is family when it turns out that family was the Donners and we're looking like a snack.

So eat a bag of dicks Whoopi.

[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 72 points 8 months ago (6 children)

The older generations have always seen the younger generations as lazy

“They think they know everything, and are always quite sure about it.”

“Our youth love luxury. They have bad manners and despise authority. They show disrespect for their elders and love to chatter instead of exercise. Young people are now tyrants, not the servants of their household. They no longer rise when their elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up food and terrorize their teachers.”
Rhetoric, Aristotle, 4th Century BC

People have always whinged about young adults. Here's proof

Why old people will always complain about young people

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Who are the older generations that think that though? It's the out of touch wealthy. Don't fall for it, they're trying to divide the less than 1%. We should all fight for living wages, free health care, student loan forgiveness for everyone.

[–] jasondj@ttrpg.network 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Idk man. I used to think that my kids are badly behaved and I would’ve never gotten away with that when I was a kid…but the reality is I was just as much of a little shit, the only difference now is we all finally decided that hitting kids is bad. Repressed trauma’s a hell of a drug.

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[–] cmoney@lemmy.world 68 points 8 months ago

According to the US debt clock the median salary 20 years ago was $32,086 and the median home price was $167,890. Today the median salary is $36,097 and the median home price is $426,973.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 68 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Whoopi needs to understand that there are several systemic things that are different now than when she was younger:

  • Health Care is prohibitively expensive, especially for major issues. If you don't have a job with good insurance, and you have a major health emergency, that could ruin your finances for the duration. The good side to it is that we can treat a lot more things now; things that used to kill you are now survivable, even if it ruins your financial stability to do so.

  • Education is similarly expensive. We told all these kids that going to college is the key to a good job, but everyone is doing it so at the end of it all they don't really have any advantage over their peers, but end up in tons of debt before they even start.

  • Casual Spending is much higher now, particularly as people work longer hours to pay off that medical and student loan debt. When Whoopi was young, going out to eat was a super-expensive treat. You got dressed up for it and everything. And you needed to go to the bank first and get cash to pay for it. Now "eating out" means grabbing a Taco Bell between shifts, because you dont have time to cook, and it all goes on the credit card to pay later (or not). It all adds up, but it not nearly as glamorous as she thinks.

  • The cost of living in an area has a lot to do with it. The Software Engineer who can work remotely can move from the Bay Area to almost everywhere else in the country and net more money after local expenses. But that schoolteacher in Palo Alto can't do their job remotely, and will never be able to buy a house there. They will need to rent until they retire, or move so far out they have to clog up the freeway for over an hour each way.

Nome of these things are the kids fault, and some of them are the current ownership class (from her generation) draining as much value out of young people as they can before they die off. We should start calling Boomers "The Vampire Generation".

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[–] Numberone@startrek.website 50 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Whoopie doing this shit makes me more sad than other dipshit boomers. Growing up she was Guinan, a character on Star Trek TNG. She was unbelievably old and wise and gentle and kind and, honestly, had the best fucking hats. Every time she says something like this, or shat on Bernie, or whatever it is today, it drives home that it's all story telling, and makes it harder to believe in something better.

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[–] Lophostemon@aussie.zone 41 points 8 months ago

Yeah Whoopy, I think you are totally on the money.

That is to say, you have too much money and you are totally out of touch.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 34 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Cmon, Whoopi a lot of us looked up to you.

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[–] Drusas@kbin.social 31 points 8 months ago

This from the woman who once-upon-a-time thought black people couldn't be actors in mainstream media?

She should reflect on how environment, upbringing, and socioeconomics can affect people.

[–] PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 31 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Just concede the point. Why should we work hard enough?

[–] Inept@lemmy.world 36 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Someday you could be part of a daily talk show panel and parrot whatever confirmation bias your audience "needs."

[–] PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 17 points 8 months ago (2 children)

When Whoopi retires, I'll take her spot.

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[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago (2 children)

This coming from somebody whose job is to just sit around and gossip with other women.

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[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The Republicans last night suggested raising the retirement age and blamed us for being lazy when we complain about not wanting to work an extra 3-5 years before collecting on social security and our retirement accounts.

Fuck these people.

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[–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Woopi Goldberg specializes in saying ignorant shit to try and stay relevant. She's just a shock jock. Stop falling for it.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 8 months ago

How anyone can watch The View unironically is crazy to me.

[–] girltwink@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago (8 children)

I once thought that if i could ever make six figures, I'd be set for life. I could have anything i wanted. Now i make multiple times that number and i can still barely afford a house that's big enough for my family of 3. I'm house poor and an emergency could bankrupt me in an instant. I'm in the top like 0.1% of income earners. What the fuck?

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 25 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Haha, not quite making as much as you, but I'm doing significantly better than the average person and saving is just impossible. Groceries, energy and basically every other inelastic good just crept up to take up an increasingly big slice of the budget. It's all shit you can't easily cut.

Then you hear conservatives talk about the fertility rate, and young people not having kids and you just think to yourself: "I can't afford to add kids to a family, we're barely getting by as it is.". The family values people don't give a shit about the economics of having one.

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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 21 points 8 months ago (4 children)

What an out-of-touch Boomer. Even many famous actors acknowledge they are extremely lucky. Without at least the tiniest dose of humility you become entitled. Which is whatever. But when you apply that standard to everyone, it's absolute nonsense. Not everyone had the money or connections to be set up for life. And not everyone should have the traditional "print money, afford any house and lifestyle you want" style career.

But they all deserve to have affordable housing, as well as healthcare. That's being empathetic and actually contributing something as a human being...

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[–] norske@lemmynsfw.com 20 points 8 months ago

Yeah. And now look at how we’re all here bitching about this instead of planning an appetizer course for when we get hungry to eat some fattened rich fucks.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Hollywood has rallied behind Roman Polanski after his arrest in Switzerland over the weekend, with the actor Whoopi Goldberg suggesting that whatever he was guilty of it wasn't "rape-rape".

As a guest on The View chatshow on US television, she said: "I know it wasn't rape-rape. It was something else but I don't believe it was rape-rape. He went to jail and and when they let him out he was like, 'You know what, this guy's going to give me a hundred years in jail. I'm not staying.' So that's why he left."

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2009/sep/29/roman-polanski-whoopi-goldberg

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[–] RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

Keep licking that boot

[–] DemBoSain@midwest.social 15 points 8 months ago

Whenever Whoopi says something stupid, just remember she once trotted out Ted Danson in black-face and didn't understand why people were offended.

[–] Lennnny@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If lazy means doing a full time job and two side hustles just to afford an overpriced home that you barely spend time in because you're always at work, then yeah, I'll admit it. You got me.

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