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And no one did that. I just pointed out that whwn the right of the party attacks the left with such vitriol. Its hardly there fault that they criticize them.
Labour was set up as a left wing party. Unless you are somehow going to argue that support for "labour" IE workers is not left of centre. Yet throughout the Corbyn years the attacks were on the left. To the point actual members and employees of the party fought on the other side. Right wing labour MPs formed competing parties. While right of center members accused the left of wanting to remove the right for them to run as MPs.
Yet non of these things has been done by the left. While the right is actually banning left of centre MPs.
The post I replied to tries to blame everything on bad lefties. I am not argueing they dont exist. Of course they do. But the simple fact is so do bad actors from the right of the party. And those actors have done more harm during the corbyn years then any lefty is doing now.
PS fully agree its England. Even those of us in England know this. But the labour party not advocating at all for the value of the left.
As for not offering any polices that sell. Utter rubbish nationalising rail was a huge popular policy. So were many more. Before the antisemitism attacks. Labour was gaining hugly in the poles. Yes I to think it went to far in 2019. And Corbyn seemed out of touch. But to argue that the left of the party offered nothing so we can ignore it bnow. Is just ignoring the reality of his popularity at some points during his leadership.
Starmer is not in anyway popular. His achivements atm are3 about 90% tory hate not starmer popularity. How is that going to go when the torys have3 been out for a couple of elections and regroup into a Cameron like party. The right has always been more then able to hide when they think it is needed. Unfortunatly the extream left less so.
No, my post is saying that everyone on the left - including the centre left - who fails to get elected are bad lefties. That is literally the sole purpose of a political party.
The ultimate aim of the Labour Party is to change the economic system of the UK to a socialist one. This is the case even with clause 4 being removed. But that can't be done it you don't get elected. And to get elected you need to be as left wing as you can, but still get 50%+1 seats. That is the hard bit we have routinely failed at doing since 2010, with leaders from all wings.